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Rick Durkee Fri Aug 28, 2009 08:12am

Taxes - Independent Contractor
 
A local Recreation Director called me and stated that his city is going to require that any officials who work the men's league games at the rec facility will be required to get "registered"(?) or "certified"(?) or something with the IRS as an Independent Contractor. H&R Block always files my officiating income as an Independent Contractor, but the city wants something further, including the officials to obtain and submt a Tax I.D. number.

Is this a practice where any of you officiate?

bob jenkins Fri Aug 28, 2009 08:45am

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Originally Posted by Rick Durkee (Post 622688)
A local Recreation Director called me and stated that his city is going to require that any officials who work the men's league games at the rec facility will be required to get "registered"(?) or "certified"(?) or something with the IRS as an Independent Contractor. H&R Block always files my officiating income as an Independent Contractor, but the city wants something further, including the officials to obtain and submt a Tax I.D. number.

Is this a practice where any of you officiate?

An individual's Tax ID number is his/her SSN. It sounds as though they just want you to complete a W-9.

BayStateRef Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:43pm

Here is the form:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw9.pdf?portlet=3
Fill out the first page at the top and give it to the Rec Director and tell him to send it to city hall.

Rick Durkee Fri Aug 28, 2009 04:34pm

Thanks for the replies.

I have checked for the exact title of what they want. They want officials to have an "Independent Contractor Federal I.D. number". Does that change anything or make any more sense?

Hugh Refner Fri Aug 28, 2009 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by Rick Durkee (Post 622769)
Thanks for the replies.

I have checked for the exact title of what they want. They want officials to have an "Independent Contractor Federal I.D. number". Does that change anything or make any more sense?

That exact wording does not make sense. If you are acting as a "sole proprietor", then your Social Security number will suffice on a W-9 form. If you are an LLC, an S-corp or a C-corp, then you would have a Federal tax ID number for your corporation (I think I'm correct regarding the LLC status, but IANAL, so you should check).

Based on your posts in this thread, it sounds like you are not established as any type of a corporation, so you should ask them if your Social Security number is OK. Their concern is just what number to put on their 1099 form at the end of the calendar year if you earn over $600.

BayStateRef Fri Aug 28, 2009 05:18pm

You have been told three times that a W-9 is what you need. That is the proper answer.

This is from a state of California "FAQ" about this topic (it does not involve officials, but independent contractors):
My service-providers have federal employer identification numbers (FEINs) and business names. How do I determine if they are sole proprietors? Can I report their FEINs instead of their social security numbers (SSNs)?
By statute, you are required to obtain the first name, last name, and SSN of any service-providers that are sole proprietors. The federal Form W-9 was recently revised and now requires sole proprietors to list their first and last names. You may want your service-providers to complete new Forms W-9. If the SSN is still not known after reviewing the W-9, ask the service-provider for the SSN. If the service-provider does not provide it, fill out the SSN box with zeroes (000000000).

Rick Durkee Fri Aug 28, 2009 09:13pm

Thank you!
 
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Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 622774)
You have been told three times that a W-9 is what you need. That is the proper answer.

Before your reply there was only one response after I had posted the clarification of the exact language.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BayStateRef (Post 622774)
This is from a state of California "FAQ" about this topic (it does not involve officials, but independent contractors):
My service-providers have federal employer identification numbers (FEINs) and business names. How do I determine if they are sole proprietors? Can I report their FEINs instead of their social security numbers (SSNs)?
By statute, you are required to obtain the first name, last name, and SSN of any service-providers that are sole proprietors. The federal Form W-9 was recently revised and now requires sole proprietors to list their first and last names. You may want your service-providers to complete new Forms W-9. If the SSN is still not known after reviewing the W-9, ask the service-provider for the SSN. If the service-provider does not provide it, fill out the SSN box with zeroes (0000000000).

Thanks very much BayState and others who replied. I appreciate it.

Adam Sat Aug 29, 2009 05:30pm

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Originally Posted by Rick Durkee (Post 622688)
A local Recreation Director called me and stated that his city is going to require that any officials who work the men's league games at the rec facility will be required to get "registered"(?) or "certified"(?) or something with the IRS as an Independent Contractor. H&R Block always files my officiating income as an Independent Contractor, but the city wants something further, including the officials to obtain and submt a Tax I.D. number.

Is this a practice where any of you officiate?

Personally, I'd tell the rec director that if he wants anything more than a W9, he can take his assignments and shove them. Men's rec isn't worth jumping through hoops.

constable Mon Aug 31, 2009 06:18pm

man am I glad officiating isn't taxable income in Canada.

Adam Mon Aug 31, 2009 06:40pm

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 623159)
man am I glad officiating isn't taxable income in Canada.

I'll bet I still pay a lower over-all percentage, so I'll pay taxes on my little bit of officiating income. :)

constable Mon Aug 31, 2009 06:50pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 623160)
I'll bet I still pay a lower over-all percentage, so I'll pay taxes on my little bit of officiating income. :)

ya but I don't have to pay out of pocket for a check up at the doctors...

I'll take the Canadian set up.

Adam Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:27pm

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 623161)
ya but I don't have to pay out of pocket for a check up at the doctors...

I'll take the Canadian set up.

You can have it.

OK, I'll drop it now so this doesn't get political. :)

mbyron Tue Sep 01, 2009 06:19am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 623196)
OK, I'll drop it now so this doesn't get political. :)

Merci beaucoup. Thank you very much.

JMUplayer Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:47am

Hopefully you're filing a schedule C and writing off a majority of your income if you're just a high school ref.

Amesman Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:38pm

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Originally Posted by JMUplayer (Post 623491)
Hopefully you're filing a schedule C and writing off a majority of your income if you're just a high school ref.

Translation, please, on "schedule C" for all those who have just moved here from Canada? (and conscientious objectors who have little experience paying taxes or filling out annual tax forms ... ;) )


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