Fed vs NCAA Womens rules differences
 

No. 1 son will be doing women's college games this season. Aside from closely guarded and shot clock, what are thr main differences vis-a-vis Fed???

TIA

He Said, She Said ...
 

Where the rulebook says, "He/She", change it to, "She". Where the rulebook says, "Him/Her", change it to, "Her".

Sorry. I'm just being a wise guy. If I didn't do it, we all know that Mark Padgett would do it eventually. I'm sure that somebody will be along in a few minutes to give you what you're looking for. I'm just an NFHS guy.

NFHS Rule Book
 

You can find most of the differences towards the back of the NFHS Basketball Rule Book. They have a nice chart that gives the major differences. Good Luck! Kevin :D

There is also no ten-second count in the backcourt.

Other than way that technical fouls work at the NCAA level, there aren't many differences in the NCAAW rules and the NFHS rules.
The biggest transition will be to the signals and mechanics. Even the PCAs are different.

One other rule difference which jumps out to me is that a blarge does not result in a double foul. The officials get together and go with the call made from the primary official.

That's true, but I wouldn't just go with that info ONLY, as it is NOT specific about everything. Seriously recommend picking up the CCA Womens book.

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I'm thinking No. 1 son already has one or will be getting one when it's available since he is working NCAA-W games this season. ;)

I think the OP wants a quick reference list for a bystander.

That's cool, I was just saying not to take what the HS rulebook differences page says as gospel. I heard about a guy that did that & he doesn't need to know the differences anymore... if you know what I mean.

But to answer the question as best as I can:

No b/c count
c/g only when holding the ball
35 second shot clock
L has the corner & also pops the whistle prior to administering all throw-ins (sideline below the FT line too)
T chops on all throw-ins
Some excellent signals that describes what happened ie: hit to the head, tripping, etc.

That's all I can think of now.

Peace

Is that front & back too?

If you mean court location, yes.

Peace

The shot clock is only 30 seconds in NCAAW.

Thanks gents! 30 shot clock & c/g count within 3 ft while holding the ball anywhere on the court. The never ending learning process...

Add: Two-handed reporting.

May as well walk & talk while you're showing it :)

Thanks, Nevada:

Could you expand on TF and IF administration and note anything that varies between NCAA-W and NCAA-M in these aspects?

Appreciatively...

Intentional fouls are the same as NFHS.

TFs are more complicated at the NCAA level because ones given for unsporting behavior are administered right away and then the game resumes at the POI.

It is easier to compare NCAAW TFs to NFHS TFs, than to note the differences with the mens side. The men also use different terminology. (Class A and Class B, instead of direct and indirect)

I need to get some dinner, but I'll come back later and write a little more on this topic.

A few more differences
 

Blood on uniform.
NF - timeout required to stay in game.
NCAAW - 20 seconds is allowed to resolve issue before a timeout is required.

Free throw positions and restrictions.
NF - enter lane when the ball hits rim or backboard or clearly misses. Except for the two defenders in the bottom blocks, players may slide to unoccupied spots.
NCAAW - enter lane when the shot is released. Neither offense nor defense can occupy positions designated for the other team.

Granting timeouts.
NF - anytime there is player control.
NCAAW - not allowed when an airborne player’s momentum is carrying her out of bounds or into the backcourt.

Technical foul shooters.
NF - can switch shooters between each shot of a 2-shot technical foul.
NCAAW - the same shooter must shoot both shots.

Throwin location.
NF - after a technical foul that is not a double foul, ball is put in play at the division line opposite the table.
NCAAW - after a flagrant technical foul, ball is put in play at the division line on either side of the court. After an excessive timeout, ball is put in play at point of interruption by the other team (loss of possession).

Hello, David:

Appreciate you delving into the more esoteric differences.
As to FT administation, do the NFHS 'Let it hit' dictates apply to other players not in marked lane spaces?

Thanks

"Mechanics is certainly imposing." (Albert Einstein, December 4 1926)
 

NFHS & NCAA 2008-09 MAJOR BASKETBALL MECHANICS DIFFERENCES

http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...erences_08.pdf

Confucius Say ...
 

Confucius say, "No man is poor who has worthy son." (Charlie Chan At The Race Track, 1936)

http://www.caliqo.com/ebay/hats_mask...chan_hat01.jpg

Free throw restrictions
 

For the shooter and the players outside the 3-point line and the free throw line extended the restrictions are the same in both NF and NCAA. They have to wait until the ball hits the basket or the shot has missed before going for the rebound.

If you look in the back of the Fed Rule Book, you will see the differences. But I would definately get a CCA Manual as other have suggested.

Moving Along the Lane
 

Just to clarify...NF F/T rules don't allow opponents to occupy each other's vacant spots. I think R. 8, A. 4. f. may confuse some, but it states "within the limitations in this rule". So that means Player A2 can move to a vacant spot that his team can legally occupy, not into a team B spot.

Really??? do you have a rule reference for this???

Not true. There's a specific case play where A legally takes one of B's spots that B doesn't want.

In NCAA, the team is restricted to its own spots.

NCAA A.R.172.
A1 drives to the basket and:
(1) The referee calls a player-control foul and an umpire calls a
block; or
(2) The referee calls a charge and an umpire calls a block.
RULING: This is uncharacteristic of a double personal foul where
one official adjudicates the obviously committed fouls against two op
ponents. (Men) In (1) and (2), the two officials disagree that the fouls
occurred simultaneously. In (1), the ball shall be awarded to Team A,
the team in control, at the point of interruption with no reset of the
shot clock.
(Rule 2-11.7.f, 7-4.1.d and 7-5.8)
In (2), the two officials disagree as to whether there was a charge
or a block, however, the ball was released by A1. Although there is
no team control while a ball is in flight, when the goal is successful,
play shall resume at the point of interruption by awarding the ball to
Team B, the team not credited with the score, at the end line with the
privilege to run the end line. When the try is not successful, play shall
resume at the point of interruption with the use of the alternating
possession arrow and a reset of the shot clock. (Rule 7-5.9)
<font color=red>(Women) In (1) and (2), when the officials signal simultaneously,
they shall get together and agree to give the call to the official who
had the play originate in his/her primary. When the officials disagree
that the fouls occurred simultaneously, they shall determine which
foul occurred first. Once a decision is reached, that foul is reported to
the official scorer and the appropriate penalty is assessed.</font color>
(Rule 4-9, 4-10, 4-29 and 4-35.1)

To clarify, in NCAA-W there is a restriction, not so in NCAA-M.

Hi, welcome to the forum. It's nice to have another new poster here.
If you are willing to listen to what the veterans say, you will learn a great deal.

Unfortunately, you are dead wrong in your current belief of NFHS FT marked lane space restrictions. Here is the appropriate case play:

8.1.4 SITUATION: A1 is at the free-throw line for the first attempt of a bonus
situation. In (a), two Team B and two Team A players occupy the first and second
marked lane spaces, respectively. B3 occupies one of the third marked lane
spaces. A3 attempts to occupy the vacant third marked lane space; or (b) two
Team B players occupy the first marked lane spaces. The offense chooses not to
occupy any marked lane spaces. Two more Team B players choose to occupy the
second marked lane spaces. RULING: Illegal in (a), A3 is not permitted to occupy
the third marked lane space. Only two offensive players may occupy marked
lane spaces during a free throw. If the improper alignment is not corrected prior
to the thrower having the ball at his/her disposal, a free-throw violation shall be
called on Team A immediately. Legal in (b), four defensive players are permitted
in any of the first three vacant marked lane spaces.

I hope that you stick around, swallow some pride, and get better.

VaCaller, he means "get better" at posting, not officiating. ;)

Or in the rules knowledge department. ;)

Thank you!! I had a supervisor (W-NCAA) a couple yrs ago that talked about the blarge in the womens' game, and I know of a specific situation that happened last yr with some DI officials where they had a blarge and went with the double foul. I obviously need to get the rule book back out and start studying. Do you happen to know if this is a recent change?

I really don't know if it's a recent change or not - it's been there for at least a few years since I noticed the difference between it and the Fed. interp. of going with the double foul. Maybe someone else knows?

I'm still not honestly sure which method I like best. A "blarge" usually happens because the officials haven't done their job properly - maybe it's an official calling outside their area, or both officials giving a preliminary signal during the double whistle without making eye contact first and allowing one official to take the call. In NCAA-W, we end up making the "proper" call because we go with the primary official's call, but one coach will feel screwed because they think the call that favored their team is somhow being over-ruled or ignored. In Fed., both coaches get appeased somewhat because both fouls are penalized, but it still goes against basic rules principles (how can you have both a charge and a block on the same play?). Either way, the officials' mistake has caused the issue, so it's best to avoid the blarge altogether.

The coverage is different as well.

Timeouts are different as well. Number, length, and media timeouts.

There is a good chart of the differences in the back of the NCAA rule book. I prefer it to the NFHS one. It's available online, here: http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uplo...e85513c6e6.pdf and is in Appending V on page 157.

Coverage
 

I think the hardest thing for me with doing high school and College women is when lead officiating the short corner beyond 3Pt area. This change in coverage is just hard for me to remember, I have to keep talking to myself about it. Also remembering that I have 3pt signal attempt from foul line extended down also is a big difference to me.

I do however love being able to bounce the player the ball when new trail when ball is to be taken out on opposite side as me on the baseline.

I actually like most of the college women's mechanics, I think the flow of the came is able to stay at a great pace for most games.

I totally know how you feel. The backcourt count usually screws me up and some times in my NCAA-W game, I will feel the urge to do it or in my High School game, I forget to do it. Is there any end to the madness?:D

Its in the CCA Manual.