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Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jul 22, 2009 06:59pm

Interesting Tip-Off Time
 
Was browsing my alma mater's (Doane College in Nebraska) website for their basketball schedule when I noticed they will be traveling to Omaha to take on Nebraska-Omaha at a game that tips off at midnight local time. You enter the gym on Saturday, and leave it on Sunday. Cool! I'm gonna be there! :D

Mark Padgett Wed Jul 22, 2009 07:51pm

Is this going to lead in to something like one of those questions about reffing a game on a cruise ship that crosses the International Date Line while you're administering a 10 second back court count? :p

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jul 22, 2009 08:02pm

Nah, unless someone else is going to play that joke. This apparently is serious business. I would love to see who the officials are for this. How many of us would try working a game at this time? Remember this is NCAA Div. II (Nebraska-Omaha) vs. NAIA Div. I (Doane).

Mark Padgett Wed Jul 22, 2009 08:31pm

I once worked a kids tournament in which the championship game didn't tip off until almost 10:30 on a Sunday evening. It was the fifth game I worked that day starting at 10:00 am. I hope whoever works your game takes a really good nap that afternoon. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ages/sleep.gif

bob jenkins Thu Jul 23, 2009 08:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 616299)
Nah, unless someone else is going to play that joke. This apparently is serious business. I would love to see who the officials are for this. How many of us would try working a game at this time? Remember this is NCAA Div. II (Nebraska-Omaha) vs. NAIA Div. I (Doane).


Is it, perchance, on the first day that games are allowed? That would make some sense as a promotional event.

Raymond Thu Jul 23, 2009 08:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 616299)
Nah, unless someone else is going to play that joke. This apparently is serious business. I would love to see who the officials are for this. How many of us would try working a game at this time? Remember this is NCAA Div. II (Nebraska-Omaha) vs. NAIA Div. I (Doane).

D2 pay, somewhere between $175-225? I think I would do it. :cool:

rockchalk jhawk Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:39am

wow, NAIA D2 pay in down south a bit in KS is only $160/game...

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 616297)
Is this going to lead in to something like one of those questions about reffing a game on a cruise ship that crosses the International Date Line while you're administering a 10 second back court count? :p


Mark:

The game on the cruise ship would have to use FIBA rules and it is an eight (8) second count in the backcourt.

MTD, Sr.

Smitty Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:59am

I am pretty sure a lot of D-1 schools have a "Midnight Madness" game to tip off the season on the first day they are allowed to have games. It's not really that unusual.

mbyron Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 616402)
Mark:

The game on the cruise ship would have to use FIBA rules and it is an eight (8) second count in the backcourt.

MTD, Sr.

Did you know that seconds are the only common unit between the metric and English systems? :p

Hugh Refner Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 616402)
Mark:

The game on the cruise ship would have to use FIBA rules and it is an eight (8) second count in the backcourt.

MTD, Sr.

You realize you just spoiled Padgett's entire day. Oh well, he can cross the dateline and live it all over again. :p

Raymond Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rockchalk jhawk (Post 616396)
wow, NAIA D2 pay in down south a bit in KS is only $160/game...

I think N-Omaha is NCAA D2, not NAIA.

budjones05 Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 616424)
I think N-Omaha is NCAA D2, not NAIA.

They are. The are in the MIAA conference

Hugh Refner Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 616383)
Is it, perchance, on the first day that games are allowed? That would make some sense as a promotional event.

I looked on their website. It's their fourth game of the season.

BTW - the TV show "Leverage" last night was about a gym in Nebraska. It made the state seem like it was populated by a bunch of hillbillies stuck in the 1800s. It was about a crooked fight promoter. Of course, the good guys won in the end.

Raymond Thu Jul 23, 2009 01:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 616428)
I looked on their website. It's their fourth game of the season.

BTW - the TV show "Leverage" last night was about a gym in Nebraska. It made the state seem like it was populated by a bunch of hillbillies stuck in the 1800s. It was about a crooked fight promoter. Of course, the good guys won in the end.

Yeah, there aren't any hills in Nebraska.

Adam Thu Jul 23, 2009 03:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 616437)
Yeah, there aren't any hills in Nebraska.

There are a few, but they're right near the Colorado and Wyoming borders; and they still managed to make a straight road all the way across without hitting any hills.

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 23, 2009 03:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 616437)
Yeah, there aren't any hills in Nebraska.

Huh? According to whitepages.com, there's tons of them. Not as many as in California, of course. :D

26 Year Gap Thu Jul 23, 2009 04:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 616406)
Did you know that seconds are the only common unit between the metric and English systems? :p

Now, wait a minute.

BillyMac Thu Jul 23, 2009 05:40pm

Who Will Be The Last To Switch To Metric: The USA Or Liberia ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 616406)
Did you know that seconds are the only common unit between the metric and English systems?

As are minutes, hours, days, and years. Maybe amperes?

LDUB Thu Jul 23, 2009 09:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 616428)
BTW - the TV show "Leverage" last night was about a gym in Nebraska. It made the state seem like it was populated by a bunch of hillbillies stuck in the 1800s.

I too was surprised at how accurately they were able to depict life in Nebraska.

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:35pm

Although cultures have used hours to denote the passage of time for hundreds of years, the "second" is considered to be a metric unit. I once asked one of my college professors why. He said because the International Bureau of Weights and Measures says so.

Of course, that organization is located in France. :p

mbyron Fri Jul 24, 2009 07:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 616527)
Although cultures have used hours to denote the passage of time for hundreds of years, the "second" is considered to be a metric unit.

It is also an English unit (foot-pound-second).

And the French don't define it, nature does. The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom.

dsqrddgd909 Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:01am

Mbyron, Are you in the quality or metrology fields?

Raymond Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 616561)
... The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom.

If that is the measurement of a second how could it have been scientifically defined prior to the 20th Century?

And why is that the measurement?

mbyron Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 616570)
If that is the measurement of a second how could it have been scientifically defined prior to the 20th Century?

And why is that the measurement?

1. Prior to the development of chronometers capable of measuring microseconds, the sidereal second was sufficiently precise.

2. It matches a sidereal second pretty closely. If you're asking why cesium 133, I don't know the answer to that one. Sorry!

Adam Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 616573)
1. Prior to the development of chronometers capable of measuring microseconds, the sidereal second was sufficiently precise.

2. It matches a sidereal second pretty closely. If you're asking why cesium 133, I don't know the answer to that one. Sorry!

2 is easy. cesium 132 wasn't quite long enough, and cesium 134 was too long.

Smitty Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 616580)
2 is easy. cesium 132 wasn't quite long enough, and cesium 134 was too long.

Finally something that makes sense in this silly thread. :p

26 Year Gap Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 616561)
It is also an English unit (foot-pound-second).

And the French don't define it, nature does. The second is the duration of 9,192,631,770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the cesium 133 atom.

Is that your standard response to coaches clamoring for a '3 second call'?:D

mbyron Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 616590)
Is that your standard response to coaches clamoring for a '3 second call'?:D

Yeah: "not enough Cs 133 periods, coach." :p

Mark Padgett Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 616590)
Is that your standard response to coaches clamoring for a '3 second call'?:D

My standard response is, "Coach, that wasn't three seconds even in dog years."

BTW - are dog years metric? I hope not. WOOF.

Mark Padgett Fri Jul 24, 2009 02:28pm

BTW - I guess based on FEEBLE rules, trapezoids are metric. :D

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jul 24, 2009 05:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 616480)
As are minutes, hours, days, and years. Maybe amperes?


Amperes and volts are metric.

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jul 24, 2009 05:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 616573)
1. Prior to the development of chronometers capable of measuring microseconds, the sidereal second was sufficiently precise.

2. It matches a sidereal second pretty closely. If you're asking why cesium 133, I don't know the answer to that one. Sorry!



MBryon:

You are my kind of guy: from NE Ohio; :D.

MTD, Sr.

Youngstown (Ohio) Liberty H.S., Class of 1969
Youngstown State Univ., Bach. of Civil Engr., Class of 1980
Trumbull Co. Bkb. Off. Assn., Member since 1971.

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Jul 24, 2009 06:15pm

Actually, Doane's fifth game of the season, Nebraska-Omaha's season opener after an exhibition against Iowa State.

BillyMac Fri Jul 24, 2009 06:33pm

Le Système International D'unités ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 616702)
Amperes are metric.

I already know that. I'd like to know if amperes, like seconds, are used in both the English system, and the metric system. If not, what is the English system equivalent of an ampere?

Mark Padgett Fri Jul 24, 2009 08:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 616714)
If not, what is the English system equivalent of an ampere?

According to a HS kid I asked, it's the "pierced-ere".

OK - I promise I'll look for my meds. :p

mbyron Fri Jul 24, 2009 09:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 616714)
I already know that. I'd like to know if amperes, like seconds, are used in both the English system, and the metric system. If not, what is the English system equivalent of an ampere?

The Imperial system has distinct units for length, volume, and weight. Anything defined in terms of those (force, velocity, acceleration, work, etc.) will have distinctive units.

E-M stuff is generally cross-system (amps, volts, joules, coulombs, ohms, farads, etc.) unless it involves weight or length (e.g. horsepower vs. watt).

Mark Padgett Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:35am

We all know who should be moderating this thread now.

http://www.realclearsports.com/blog/...-tool-time.jpg

bob jenkins Mon Jul 27, 2009 09:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 616709)
Actually, Doane's fifth game of the season, Nebraska-Omaha's season opener after an exhibition against Iowa State.


And, since N-O is the home team, it's probably the first day D-II schools are allowed to have a contest.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Jul 27, 2009 01:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 617075)
And, since N-O is the home team, it's probably the first day D-II schools are allowed to have a contest.

I believe so...several other D-II schools I looked up for the heck of it have their season openers on the same day. UNO will be an interesting one, because the parking basically sucks on their campus to start with. Oh wait, maybe this will be a blessing because noone would be caught dead on a college campus at that hour! :D

SlickStick25896 Tue Aug 04, 2009 01:51am

very intersting what they are doing

TussAgee11 Tue Aug 04, 2009 02:03am

I believe last year ESPN2 or ESPNU had a 24 hours of college basketball deal where games were being played around the clock. Perhaps this fits into that deal.


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