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ILMalti Wed Jul 08, 2009 05:52pm

Throw in situation
 
A1 is given the ball for a throw in. The court is well designed and allows ample space between the sideline and the walls. B1 is standing facing A1 inbounds. B1 is much taller than A1.

A1 releases the ball trying to lob over B1. B1 jumps extending his hands over the line and bats the ball back into A1 hands. B1 lands back inbound Call?

mbyron Wed Jul 08, 2009 06:15pm

Throw-in for B.

ILMalti Wed Jul 08, 2009 06:20pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 613446)
Throw-in for B.

That is what i would think ie I agree

Camron Rust Wed Jul 08, 2009 08:28pm

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Originally Posted by ILMalti (Post 613443)
A1 is given the ball for a throw in. The court is well designed and allows ample space between the sideline and the walls. B1 is standing facing A1 inbounds. B1 is much taller than A1.

A1 releases the ball trying to lob over B1. B1 jumps extending his hands over the line and bats the ball back into A1 hands. B1 lands back inbound Call?

At one time, the rule was worded such that the defense couldn't, during a throwin, reach across the line to touch the ball. It made no reference to whether it was in the hands of the thrower or not. It was later changed to only restrict the defense until the thrower released the ball on a throwin pass (a pass along the endline to an OOB teammate after a made basket is still protected).

Nevadaref Wed Jul 08, 2009 08:39pm

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Originally Posted by ILMalti (Post 613443)
A1 is given the ball for a throw in. The court is well designed and allows ample space between the sideline and the walls. B1 is standing facing A1 inbounds. B1 is much taller than A1.

A1 releases the ball trying to lob over B1. B1 jumps extending his hands over the line and bats the ball back into A1 hands. B1 lands back inbound Call?

Legal play in an NFHS game. OOB violation by A1. Team B will be awarded a throw-in.

Class B technical foul in an NCAA mens game. 2FTs and resume at the POI (another throw-in for Team A).

This is a small difference in the two rule sets. The boundary restriction imposed upon the defender ends at different times. Under NFHS rules, once the thrower releases the ball, the defender may break the plane. Under NCAA rules, the defender must wait for the ball to cross the boundary plane before contacting it.

ILMalti Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:30pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 613479)
Legal play in an NFHS game. OOB violation by A1. Team B will be awarded a throw-in.

Class B technical foul in an NCAA mens game. 2FTs and resume at the POI (another throw-in for Team A).

This is a small difference in the two rule sets. The boundary restrictions imposed upon the defender ends at different times. Under NFHS rules, once the thrower releases the ball, the defender may break the plane. Under NCAA rules, the defender must wait for the ball to cross the boundary plane before contacting it.

Interesting variance

SAK Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:35am

If B1 reached across the line before A1 released the ball for the throw in then its is a delay of game warning for B (assuming there hasn't already been one issued). If A1 has released the ball no violation for delay of game. B's ball for throw in.

Adam Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:05am

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Originally Posted by SAK (Post 613572)
If B1 reached across the line before A1 released the ball for the throw in then its is a delay of game warning for B (assuming there hasn't already been one issued). If A1 has released the ball no violation for delay of game. B's ball for throw in.

And if B1 reaches across the line and slaps the ball before it's been release and before you call for delay of game, it's a technical foul and a DOG warning.

mbyron Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 613579)
And if B1 reaches across the line and slaps the ball before it's been release and before you call for delay of game, it's a technical foul and a DOG warning.

And if he intentionally smacks A1 in the face before slapping the ball, it's a flagrant foul and B1 is ejected. :rolleyes:

(This is fun. What's next?)

Ch1town Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 613601)
And if he intentionally smacks A1 in the face before slapping the ball, it's a flagrant foul and B1 is ejected. :rolleyes:

(This is fun. What's next?)

Prior to the action that took place on the throw-in A1 told B1 he plays like a little girl. Now we gotta run 'em both :)

grunewar Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:33pm

This was late in the 4th quarter of a foul fest and the score is tied 38-38, and with A1 and B1 now both ejected, both Team A and B only have one remaining/eligible player left on the court or bench (A2 and B2)......

Camron Rust Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 613607)
This was late in the 4th quarter of a foul fest and the score is tied 38-38, and with A1 and B1 now both ejected, both Team A and B only have one remaining/eligible player left on the court or bench (A2 and B2)......

at which time lightning strikes starting a massive fire, followed by a large tornado (we are in Kansas aren't we), and A2 and B2 find themselve in Oz while the coaches are left peering over what appears to be a field of fire and rimstone. The remaining spectators think the officials must be in the same place as the coaches while they are actually sitting on a beach in the Carribean sipping their standard postgame drink.

Hugh Refner Thu Jul 09, 2009 01:07pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 613612)
at which time lightning strikes starting a massive fire, followed by a large tornado (we are in Kansas aren't we), and A2 and B2 find themselve in Oz while the coaches are left peering over what appears to be a field of fire and rimstone. The remaining spectators think the officials must be in the same place as the coaches while they are actually sitting on a beach in the Carribean sipping their standard postgame drink.

Camron - please don't tell us that one of the munchkins dunked the ball. :D

grunewar Thu Jul 09, 2009 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 613617)
Camron - please don't tell us that one of the munchkins dunked the ball. :D

and rumor has it, it was against Lebron....but apparently, there is no film available. :rolleyes:

Nevadaref Thu Jul 09, 2009 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 613612)
...a field of fire and rimstone. ...

Is that what the baskets were made from when you started officiating? :D

Camron Rust Thu Jul 09, 2009 03:54pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 613647)
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Is that what the baskets were made from when you started officiating? :D

Nah, they were made from black holes...it makes for a really short games, not even close to OT, since the first shot that gets anywhere near the basket gets drawn in and the ball never drops out of the bottom. The first team to shoot wins by default since the other team can't score without a ball....and we all went home early (This story brought to you in honor of our recently destoned associate).

Just in case you had any doubt, that was a deliberate choice of words/spelling (even if it was made up).

Nevadaref Thu Jul 09, 2009 04:34pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 613665)
Just in case you had any doubt, that was a deliberate choice of words/spelling (even if it was made up).

Actually, rimstone does exist. Not that I was previously aware of that fact. :cool:

Rimstone, also called gours, is a type of speleothem (cave formation) in the form of a stone dam. Rimstone is made up of calcite and other minerals that build up in cave pools. The formation created, which looks like stairs, often extends into flowstone above or below the original rimstone. Often, rimstone is covered with small, micro-gours on horizontal surfaces. Rimstone basins may form terraces that extend over hundreds of feet, with single basins known up to 200 feet long from Tham Xe Biang Fai in Laos<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup>


Rimstone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Camron Rust Thu Jul 09, 2009 04:43pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 613674)
Actually, rimstone does exist. Not that I was previously aware of that fact. :cool:

Hmmm. Learn something new everyday. Now, how can I apply this little morsel of knowledge to something useful. :p

Adam Thu Jul 09, 2009 07:18pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 613674)
Actually, rimstone does exist. Not that I was previously aware of that fact. :cool:

Rimstone, also called gours, is a type of speleothem (cave formation) in the form of a stone dam. Rimstone is made up of calcite and other minerals that build up in cave pools. The formation created, which looks like stairs, often extends into flowstone above or below the original rimstone. Often, rimstone is covered with small, micro-gours on horizontal surfaces. Rimstone basins may form terraces that extend over hundreds of feet, with single basins known up to 200 feet long from Tham Xe Biang Fai in Laos<sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference">[1]</sup>


Rimstone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'll bet Jon Diebler knew that already.

ILMalti Fri Jul 10, 2009 09:44am

Looks like we have the begining of a book or movie


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