Officials' Time-out signal and mechanic

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by grunewar

a referee can "declare" a timeout for himself, but a coach or player must "request or ask" for one and then a referee "grants" it, right?

Originally Posted by mick

Yea, most times it'll be granted, if the Official hears or sees the request.

Assuming the coach requests the time out at the appropiate time. The official ensures that it is ok to grant (example team control belongs to the coaches team etc ) That is why a time out is not immediately granted. The official needs to ensure that he/she can grant the request.

Refer you to Rule 5.8.3

[mick]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

Assuming the coach requests the time out at the appropiate time. The official ensures that it is ok to grant (example team control belongs to the coaches team etc ) That is why a time out is not immediately granted. The official needs to ensure that he/she can grant the request.

Refer you to Rule 5.8.3

Sometimes I give 'em to the wrong coach.
There's a rule for that, too. Eh?

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by mick

Sometimes I give 'em to the wrong coach.
There's a rule for that, too. Eh?

Yup there is a rule for most things I do say for all but not to start a new whole topic in this thread....

Let me add the rulling 5.8.3

Grants a players/head coach's oral or visual request for a time out such requests being granted ONLY when :
a) the ball is in control or disposal of a player of his/her team
b) the ball is dead....unless...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

Yup there is a rule for most things I do say for all but not to start a new whole topic in this thread....

Let me add the rulling 5.8.3

Grants a players/head coach's oral or visual request for a time out such requests being granted ONLY when :
a) the ball is in control or disposal of a player of his/her team
b) the ball is dead....unless...

So, what happens when you blow your whistle and award the timeout to a coach whose team does not have th ball? That's what Mitch was getting at.

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So, what happens when you blow your whistle and award the timeout to a coach whose team does not have th ball? That's what Mitch was getting at.

Bad call and POI. You cannot award a team for our error. or for taking advantage of the situation

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

Bad call and POI. You cannot award a team for our error. or for taking advantage of the situation

Wrong. Check the case play.
Essentially, the ball is not dead and the coach can request a TO. You grant it at this point.

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wrong. Check the case play.
Essentially, the ball is not dead and the coach can request a TO. You grant it at this point.

Please quote situation you are referring too

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wrong. Check the case play.
Essentially, the ball is not dead and the coach can request a TO. You grant it at this point.

I did and you are correct

Reference Situation 5.8.3.E .

Thank you

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

Assuming the coach requests the time out at the appropiate time. The official ensures that it is ok to grant (example team control belongs to the coaches team etc ) That is why a time out is not immediately granted. The official needs to ensure that he/she can grant the request.

Refer you to Rule 5.8.3

Really? Team control?

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Really? Team control?

That was an example. If coach of team A requests a time out when the ball is in posession of B1 who is say dribbling (ie team control of B), the time out request cannot be granted.

Yes really

I did qualify with EXAMPLE

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

That was an example. If coach of team A requests a time out when the ball is in posession of B1 who is say dribbling (ie team control of B), the time out request cannot be granted.

Yes really

I did qualify with EXAMPLE

My point is that team control is irrelevant to awarding a timeout.

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

My point is that team control is irrelevant to awarding a timeout.

see my post to Mick and see rule 5.8.3. Team control is relevant

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ILMalti

see my post to Mick and see rule 5.8.3. Team control is relevant

No, it's not. You actually quoted the relevant part of the rule.

"Player control" is key, and yes it must be a player no that coach's team. However, "team" control is not mentioned.

A coach's team may have team control but a timeout still not be granted by rule.

[ILMalti]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, it's not. You actually quoted the relevant part of the rule.

"Player control" is key, and yes it must be a player no that coach's team. However, "team" control is not mentioned.

A coach's team may have team control but a timeout still not be granted by rule.

Ok so now you are saying that a person dribbling a ball does not have team control? If there is player control there is team control

For completenes see rule 4.12.2

Originally Posted by ILMalti

see my post to Mick and see rule 5.8.3. Team control is relevant

Kinda, sorta, in a way BUT what's more important than TC, is that someone on the team has the ball in their possession when a TO is requested.

A1 swings the ball from the left wing to A2 on the right wing. Coach/player requests TO while the pass is in the air.
Is there TC? Yes
Should we grant the TO? No

BTW, dashes (-) relate to rules & dots (.) relate to casebook plays.