No, just a nice cold can of Pabst Blue Ribbon. Yes, you can still find it that cheap at some places around here.

Don't bother starting a post with "with all due respect." I consider it a meaningless phrase similar to "no offense." For the issue we're talking about here, do a search on this site for discussions regarding an NFHS interp on backcourt violations.

The fact is, "NFHS" isn't some all knowing rules guru. It's a group of people that changes every year. And, in particular, it's a group of people with a propensity for issuing interps and POEs that are worded less than perfectly; hence the ambiguity surrounding whether a CG count requires LGP.

I'm done on this one.

When You're Having More Than One ...
 

I've got to be the last person on Earth who drinks Schaefer.

YouTube - Schaefer Beer Ad

None of us claims to be more knowledgeable than the NFHS. But each of us has a vested interest in and deep personal commitment to understanding the rules. So we study, we discuss, we debate. We also take very seriously the admonition from the opening paragraphs of the NFHS rules book: "...it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation." So we dig even deeper.

There is an inarguable lack of clarity surrounding this rule. You understand it to mean one thing; I have a different understanding of the same rule. And we each find clear evidence supporting our understanding when we read the same official materials. Those materials are simply not sufficiently clear, and may not even be consistent.

It happens. Quite a lot, actually. And small wonder when you consider the nature of the beast. Basketball is just a game, made up by a clever Canadian to keep a group of trouble-making American college guys occupied and out of trouble. It is an ever-evolving game, governed by an ever-changing body of rules, overseen by an ever-changing committee of folks who are no different than you and I. They each have their own background and experiences, personal preferences, individual understandings of the game and the rules, and even their own agendas. The real wonder of the thing is that the rules are as clear and consistent as they are.

The challenge for us is to keep on learning. That means we must keep our focus on what is right, and not who is right. So let's study and discuss and debate and argue, but let's not make it personal. :)

Thank you for words and advise. I just realized what BITS stands for.
My questions where written in frustration since it took hours in research and
all that work seemed to have been thrown out of the window with a "ah well NFHS is known to be ambiguos".
Nothing personal was intended. I should have had a "patient enter key"

Been there, done that, bought me a closet full of them tshirts. ;)

I have sometimes argued a position for hours on end, only to find out I was flat out wrong. Dangit! Painful, but a useful learning experience. And I have done the same only to find out that there really was no one right answer. Double dangit! Not fair. Also painful. But usually a good learning experience in the end too.

My understanding of the closely guarded rule has grown through this discussion. Thanks for your time and thoughts. And for making me think and even work a little. :)

Hugs And Kisses For Everybody ...
 

That's it? It's over? Now let's all sit around the campfire and sing a couple of choruses of "Kumbaya". Who brought the S'mores? Thank God JurassicReferee isn't around to see this. I think I'm gonna barf.

Apparently I've been channeling my inner Jurassic lately, does that count?

Not even close. (and that is a good thing).

Shut up. :p

We reached a stale mate. We need to address the question in a different "path" (No pun intended).
We are still researching; " whether the rules state that LGP is required before a count can start". People ideas and comments are usefull in helping the thought process and as such they should be appreciated. If you or JurassicReferee have a definitive answer to this obvioulsy involved question I would be very interested in your thoughts, Maturity suggests that people are thanked for their time and patience in sharing thoughts.

If you have to "barf" please do it off the court.

I am learning the forum mannerisms and so are many others. Like everything else in life you have a choice. Putting a pointless statement does not serve any one.

If I mis-understood your post main trust , I truely appologies; but barfing too me means you might have a stomach issue in which I would suggest you read all about Ginger

What if he prefers Mary Ann? or even The Skipper. :eek:

Nice touch

Ginger, Mary Ann -- really, the only other option is the Professor. :D

C'mon guys. We all know Mrs. Howell was the cougar on that island. :p

I'll never be able to think of the phrase "taking ginger" in the same way again. :eek:

Wow! What a blast from the past...
 

At the risk of veering OT for a second...Do they still make Schaefer? True story...first time I ever got intoxicated was from rusty cans of Schaefer I stole from the basement when I was 15. No telling how long my old man had them there.

How About Betty Or Veronica ???
 

I just bought a six pack yesterday. I reward myself with an ice cold Schaefer after mowing the lawn on a hot summer day. My late father used to drink Schaefer, and now ever time I drink a cold one, it reminds me of him.

Mary Ann. No question.

She isn't quite as hot at 70 years old, though.

http://www.hilaryshepherd.com/rantsn...dawn-wells.jpg

She is with enough Schaefers! :D

They don't brew enough Schaefers.