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WreckRef Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:06am

NFHS Free throw change
 
I was told that starting next year, the calling official (2 person) will go to the table on shooting fouls, meaning that as the trail on free throws, you are directly in front of the table and benches on free throws. This also means you will not switch if you are the trail and you call a shooting foul.

This may have been discussed already but I couldn't find it so I apologize if this has already been brought up.

Can someone please confirm? Mr. Bob Jenkins?


Thank you.

Nevadaref Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:10am

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...asketball.html

FrankHtown Thu Jun 18, 2009 03:37pm

Just for clarification...you go table side, not at the table. You are still responsible for the 10 second count, watching the free thrower, the flight of the ball, and the 2nd & 3rd player on the opposite lane line, among other things..

GoodwillRef Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:55am

It is going to be a season where we are going to have to be great communicators with coaches.

Adam Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:05pm

Not in CO (2 man anyway).

Nevadaref Fri Jun 19, 2009 05:32pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 609841)
Not in CO (2 man anyway).

Why? Has the CO state association decided not to follow the new mechanic or are you saying that you don't have to communicate with the coaches in that state? :D

Rich Fri Jun 19, 2009 05:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 609841)
Not in CO (2 man anyway).

If CO decided to pass on this, good for them. I wish WI would do the same.

BillyMac Fri Jun 19, 2009 06:45pm

No B For Blind Jokes Please ...
 
I've heard that IAABO, with their own mechanics, will not follow the new NFHS free throw mechanics. Could someone confirm that?

SAK Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:24pm

Just means that we have to get a good call on the shooting fouls or there will be an earful from the coach.

ajs8207 Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:55pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 609917)
I've heard that IAABO, with their own mechanics, will not follow the new NFHS free throw mechanics. Could someone confirm that?

I saw someone say that on the forum not long after the change was announced. I can't find the post.

Nevadaref Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 609937)
Just means that we have to get a good call on the shooting fouls or there will be an earful from the coach.

Not in the 2nd half. ;)

But if a coach tries to give me an earful, the opponent will be shooting two more and getting the ball at the division line.

Adam Sat Jun 20, 2009 08:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 609917)
I've heard that IAABO, with their own mechanics, will not follow the new NFHS free throw mechanics. Could someone confirm that?

This has been what I've been told, although I haven't seen it from official sources.

Rich Sat Jun 20, 2009 08:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 609937)
Just means that we have to get a good call on the shooting fouls or there will be an earful from the coach.

It doesn't change how we call the game at all. Being five feet from the coach doesn't mean he gets away with anymore than if we were opposite the court.

grunewar Sat Jun 20, 2009 08:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 609937)
Just means that we have to get a good call on the shooting fouls or there will be an earful from the coach.

Yeah, save all those "not good calls" for non-shooting fouls! (sarc) :rolleyes:

zm1283 Sat Jun 20, 2009 09:19am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 609937)
Just means that we have to get a good call on the shooting fouls or there will be an earful from the coach.

You're going to get an earful from some coaches no matter how good the calls are.

Rich Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:40am

I know one thing that will happen. Instead of the T yielding to the L in the situation where we have a double whistle, obvious that both officials have the same call -- we will let the trail take it, especially if he is already tableside. Why switch when it's not necessary? :D

Camron Rust Sun Jun 21, 2009 06:16pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 609999)
I know one thing that will happen. Instead of the T yielding to the L in the situation where we have a double whistle, obvious that both officials have the same call -- we will let the trail take it, especially if he is already tableside. Why switch when it's not necessary? :D

In the endgame where one team is attempting to foul, I've noticed that the trail will sometimes get 3, 4, 5, or more fouls in a row as the team that is committing the fouls will do so in the backcourt or in the outer part of the frontcourt and that will keep the trial as trail....over and over.

Nevadaref Sun Jun 21, 2009 06:44pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 610053)
In the endgame where one team is attempting to foul, I've noticed that the trail will sometimes get 3, 4, 5, or more fouls in a row as the team that is committing the fouls will do so in the backcourt or in the outer part of the frontcourt and that will keep the trial as trail....over and over.

The same issue exists in 3-man. People get around it by having the calling official go to the C after his second such foul call.

It's not too difficult.

Rich Mon Jun 22, 2009 07:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 610053)
In the endgame where one team is attempting to foul, I've noticed that the trail will sometimes get 3, 4, 5, or more fouls in a row as the team that is committing the fouls will do so in the backcourt or in the outer part of the frontcourt and that will keep the trial as trail....over and over.


This happens in 2-man when, gasp, we don't long switch on fouls in the backcourt. After the second foul we'll force a switch.

In 3-person, I would probably be less inclined to switch. It's really not a big deal when the one team is *trying* to foul.

Camron Rust Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 610066)
The same issue exists in 3-man. People get around it by having the calling official go to the C after his second such foul call.

It's not too difficult.

But you, being a stickler for following the prescribed mechanics that people with much more expericence have worked out, couldn't possibly do that since it is not what the book says to do. :eek:

Someone here recently said:
They are the official mechanics for good reasons. It is my opinion that too many people have an inflated opinion of themselves and believe that they know better than these many people with many years of experience and unjustifiably alter the prescribed procedures.
Seems like they disagree with you...perhaps you'd like to have a discussion with them.

Adam Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 610066)
The same issue exists in 3-man. People get around it by having the calling official go to the C after his second such foul call.

It's not too difficult.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 610152)
But you, being a stickler for following the prescribed mechanics that people with much more expericence have worked out, couldn't possibly do that since it is not what the book says to do. :eek:

Yeah, I'm feeling a bit disillusioned here.

Raymond Thu Jun 25, 2009 09:21am

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Originally Posted by SAK (Post 609937)
Just means that we have to get a good call on the shooting fouls or there will be an earful from the coach.

Just in the 1st half. In the 2nd half you'll be hearing how great you are and why did your partner miss the call.

BayStateRef Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:20am

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I've heard that IAABO, with their own mechanics, will not follow the new NFHS free throw mechanics. Could someone confirm that
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 609972)
This has been what I've been told, although I haven't seen it from official sources.

As previously posted here: IAABO mechanics will not change. Source: Peter Webb, who writes the IAABO mechanics manual.

Zoochy Thu Jun 25, 2009 01:01pm

Iaabo
 
I believe for 3 officials, that IAABO wants the calling official to go opposite the table.
NFHS still has calling official going table side.

Adam Thu Jun 25, 2009 01:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 610771)
I believe for 3 officials, that IAABO wants the calling official to go opposite the table.
NFHS still has calling official going table side.

This is true, I got email confirmation from my assigner just this past week.

Rich Thu Jun 25, 2009 01:26pm

I'm still trying to figure out IAABO's role. Is it for states that would rather not deal with basketball officiating directly -- kind of a "middle man" for mechanics, etc.?

Adam Thu Jun 25, 2009 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 610782)
I'm still trying to figure out IAABO's role. Is it for states that would rather not deal with basketball officiating directly -- kind of a "middle man" for mechanics, etc.?

Rich, I'm in an IAABO state, and I haven't figured it out, either. I think, for all practical purposes, that seems to be the intent of the state in using them. I have to admit, transferring from one state to another would have been easier if my previous state was IAABO; but I doubt that's their stated purpose and intent.

BayStateRef Thu Jun 25, 2009 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 610782)
I'm still trying to figure out IAABO's role. Is it for states that would rather not deal with basketball officiating directly -- kind of a "middle man" for mechanics, etc.?

IAABO is an umbrella organization for basketball officials in about 20 states. In many states, particularly in the Northeast, it is the major organization of basketball officials and the primary route to officiating certification in those states. IAABO has individual chapters, regionally based, which it calls "boards."

IAABO started publishing its own mechanics manual about six years ago...first for two person crews and now for both two and three person crews. Its mechanics are based primarily on NFHS mechanics, but there are some small differences. IAABO interpreters meet regularly and have regular conference calls to discuss rules, etc. They are responsible for transmitting rules and mechanics to individual members.

IAABO publishes a newsletter for its members and runs camps for its members -- where, surprise, IAABO mechanics are taught. It also publishes its own rules test each year, which is the basis for certification as an IAABO official.

I have only officiated in an IAABO environment, so I cannot say how it compares. In my area, IAABO is only the teacher and trainer. It does not assign officials, who must reach out to individual assignors for games. I know other states have tighter control over assignments through their IAABO boards.

Adam Thu Jun 25, 2009 02:46pm

CO has tighter control of assignments through the IAABO boards, other than that, I have to concur with BayStateRef. I will say under this environment, as opposed to the non-IAABO state I worked in, the training seems more uniform and consistent.


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