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Fundamentals discrepancy?

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Originally Posted by Basketball Rules Fundamentals

10. Personal fouls always involve illegal contact and occur during a live ball, except a common foul by or on an airborne shooter.

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Originally Posted by 4-1

Airborne Shooter
1. An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor.
2. The airborne shooter is considered to be in the act of shooting.

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Originally Posted by 5-1

A goal is made when a live ball enters the basket and remains in or passes through.

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Originally Posted by 6-7

The ball becomes dead, or remains dead, when
1. A goal, as in 5-1, is made.

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Originally Posted by 10-6-Penalties

1. No free throws
a. For each common foul before the bonus rule is in effect.
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2. One free throw if fouled in the act of shooting and two- or three-point try or tap is successful.

This ended up being more typing than I thought it would be, but I wanted to capture all of the pertinent rules.

The issue I have with Fundamental 10 is that there can be a dead ball (because of 6-7 and 5-1) personal foul on an airborne shooter that is not common. A common foul carries with it a penalty of no free throws, while a foul on an airborne shooter following a goal would carry a penalty of one free throw.

Therefore, I conclude that "common" should be removed from fundamental 10.

OK - lay it on me: did I miss something?

Boy, aren’t we picky.
However, I agree. If you look at rule 4-19-2 it says…

ART. 2 . . . A common foul is a personal foul which is neither flagrant nor intentional nor committed against a player trying or tapping for a field goal nor a part of a double, simultaneous or multiple foul.

This clearly shows that a foul is not considered a common foul if against a player trying for a goal, which an airborne shooter is a player trying for goal.

I agree with your agreement.

Now can someone please show me in the rules where it says to award the first FT (not the bonus attempt) for common fouls 7, 8, and 9 by a team in a half? :eek:

Its there by implication: "if first free throw is successful."

I agree it could probably be worded better.

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 605563)

Its there by implication: "if first free throw is successful."

I agree it could probably be worded better.

Bonus only happens if the first throw is made. I wonder what we should call the first throw? Could it be your earned shot? Since the second is given as a bonus. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 605618)

Bonus only happens if the first throw is made. I wonder what we should call the first throw? Could it be your earned shot? Since the second is given as a bonus. :rolleyes:

How about a Free Throw....which may followed by a Bonus Free Throw...or possibly an Automatic Bonus Free Throw.

I hope an elephant isn't missed because of dealing with this ant.

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 606148)

I hope an elephant isn't missed because of dealing with this ant.

I get a kick out of the stuff that gets discussed in the off season.

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 606148)

I hope an elephant isn't missed because of dealing with this ant.

Nope. They're buddies.

http://www.elephantadv.com/html/images/ele_ant.gif

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Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 606148)

I hope an elephant isn't missed because of dealing with this ant.

You mean like the next time that I'm working a game and the 7th, 8th, or 9th team foul of the half is a common foul causing the coach to plead for the 1-and-1, but I tell him that there is no rule in the book which instructs me to award a FT. :D

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 605540)

I agree with your agreement.

Now can someone please show me in the rules where it says to award the first FT (not the bonus attempt) for common fouls 7, 8, and 9 by a team in a half? :eek:

10.6.1 Situation B:

The bonus is in effect...........A2 charges into B1.

Ruling:..............B1 is then awarded a one-and-one.

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 606376)

10.6.1 Situation B:

The bonus is in effect...........A2 charges into B1.

Ruling:..............B1 is then awarded a one-and-one.

Research or memory? :D

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 606415)

Research or memory? :D

Did research for the cite. Memory tells me that based on board history, Nevada should be back to say this doesn't count for some reason.

Nah, I'll just ask, "According to what RULE is B1 awarded a one-and-one in that situation?" :D