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PackersFTW Mon May 25, 2009 12:08am

NBA dead ball foul
 
In the Orlando/Cleveland game 3, around the 5 minute mark of the 4th quarter, Lebron was at the line shooting 2: On the second free throw (which went in), Varejao and Howard got ready for the rebound, but they kept fighting after the ball went in, and Howard grabbed the ball right after it went through the net, and Varejao ripped it out of his hands in a rough manner, and they called a foul on Varejao (Howard shot 2 at the other end). My question is, shouldn't that have been a technical on Varejao? How was it a regular foul during a dead ball (at least, I'd say it was a dead ball seeing as how the foul occured about 2-3 seconds after the free throw went in)?

APG Mon May 25, 2009 12:38am

I think you remember the play wrong. As I recall, LeBron missed the free throw which Dwight rebounded. Varejao fouled Dwight right afterwards, then all the extracurricular.

refguy Mon May 25, 2009 02:07pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 604450)
I think you remember the play wrong. As I recall, LeBron missed the free throw which Dwight rebounded. Varejao fouled Dwight right afterwards, then all the extracurricular.

Correct. 2 shots for common foul on Varejao and no T called. Should have been T on Varejao as well. Of course Howard shouldn't have fouled out later either on really bad call by Willard - great guy by the way.

PackersFTW Sat May 30, 2009 03:55pm

I have no way to go back and check now, but I'm 95% sure that second free throw went in. I even replayed it. Why would I come on here and ask a question about a simple foul? In fact, I know it went in, I remember now, because Howard casually grabbed it after it hit the floor, and then Varejao started to try and get the ball from him for some reason, along with all that mess. So if that's the case, wouldn't the regular personal foul call be incorrect, and instead it should be a technical?

Raymond Sat May 30, 2009 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by PackersFTW (Post 605705)
I have no way to go back and check now, but I'm 95% sure that second free throw went in. I even replayed it. Why would I come on here and ask a question about a simple foul? In fact, I know it went in, I remember now, because Howard casually grabbed it after it hit the floor, and then Varejao started to try and get the ball from him for some reason, along with all that mess. So if that's the case, wouldn't the regular personal foul call be incorrect, and instead it should be a technical?

NBA has a lot of different rules from NFHS/NCAA concerning fouls.

And 2 people have come on here and said the 2nd free throw was missed, so you may be wrong. :eek:

Adam Sat May 30, 2009 05:24pm

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Originally Posted by PackersFTW (Post 605705)
I have no way to go back and check now, but I'm 95% sure that second free throw went in. I even replayed it. Why would I come on here and ask a question about a simple foul? In fact, I know it went in, I remember now, because Howard casually grabbed it after it hit the floor, and then Varejao started to try and get the ball from him for some reason, along with all that mess. So if that's the case, wouldn't the regular personal foul call be incorrect, and instead it should be a technical?

You know, the wonderful thing about modern technology is you can go check this stuff. According to foxsports.com, James missed a free throw at the 4:40 mark followed by a defensive rebound by Howard and a foul by Varejao.

So, to recap:
1. You do have a way to go back and re-check.
2. You were wrong.

BktBallRef Sat May 30, 2009 05:42pm

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Originally Posted by PackersFTW (Post 605705)
I have no way to go back and check now, but I'm 95% sure that second free throw went in. I even replayed it. Why would I come on here and ask a question about a simple foul? In fact, I know it went in, I remember now, because Howard casually grabbed it after it hit the floor, and then Varejao started to try and get the ball from him for some reason, along with all that mess. So if that's the case, wouldn't the regular personal foul call be incorrect, and instead it should be a technical?

The FT was missed. You obviously are asking about the foul because you don't remember it correctly.

PackersFTW Wed Jun 24, 2009 07:58am

FWIW, a friend of mine still had that game on his DVR, and after an hour of trying to find the play, we found it, and the ball DID go in. It happened just as I said it did. I'm over it now though, I don't care, and I know nobody here will believe me anyways.

M&M Guy Wed Jun 24, 2009 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by PackersFTW (Post 610521)
I'm over it now though,

Surrrrrrre... :D

SethPDX Wed Jun 24, 2009 04:31pm

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Originally Posted by PackersFTW (Post 610521)
I'm over it now though, I don't care....

Oh, what a relief. I was worried there.


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