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ronald Sun May 31, 2009 06:36pm

How do you know what they get?

Ever heard of the guy named Ed Rush? How many NBA finals did he work? Have you ever met him? I was struck by his humility. One of the top refs in NBA and a down to earth, humble man from limited contact. In his contacts with the campers, he was approachable and showed no signs that he was too important or unwilling to talk or chat with anyone about anything. I have been to other type of camps where the guest speakers, amateurs, don't have the time of day for attendees. Rush is a class act. Humble person.

Check your bias and hating.

Have you ever met any of the observers and evaluators of the NBA? There are 11 of them. One of them is a D1 college official and lives somewhere in MD. I do not have any inkling of why the NBA chose him to be one of the eleven but I imagine they saw that he had some basketball acumen or they would not have hired him for that position.

The time I stated that the officials got something like 68 percent of the calls correct in their college game, that game was broken down by video by one of the officials from the game. That was his evaluation of a game he did. D1 official evaluating his game and scores it 68. That guy will get better not the guy who thinks no way his crew is only getting 70 percent of the calls right.

rockyroad Sun May 31, 2009 07:35pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 605854)

Have you ever met any of the observers and evaluators of the NBA? .

Yes, actually I have. I know one of the evaluators for the NBA fairly well. Former D-1 official and now an assignor for some small college ball out here. I asked him if he had ever had a game he evaluated where he graded the officials as low as what you are claiming, and he laughed. He said if it was that low, they would no longer be working in the league.

Nevadaref Sun May 31, 2009 07:54pm

I have as well. There are 60 officials in the NBA. They are divided into four groups of 15 and each has a group supervisor.

Guess where one of those group supervisors lives? ;)

ronald Sun May 31, 2009 11:02pm

The grade was for college not NBA. That was the reference I understood.

The game the official graded was a D1 conference championship.

rockyroad Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:53am

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 605890)
The grade was for college not NBA. That was the reference I understood.

The game the official graded was a D1 conference championship.

Then why did you ask if anyone knew any of the NBA evaluators? What does one have to do with the other???:confused:

ronald Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:53am

Question was for Nevada.

Nevadaref Mon Jun 01, 2009 07:29pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 605971)
Question was for Nevada.

And now that I have answered, what is your response?

ronald Mon Jun 01, 2009 07:55pm

I learned the part about the number of officials.

You argument using one changed call per game by the league office in the last week does not significantly affect the grade of a crew unless we are talking 10 to 20 calls in a game. Then it could range from 5 to 10 pts. It sounds good and looks good and may have provide a perception issue but it is not statistically relevant. Argument was week at the foundation. Extrapolation was flawed.

You stated you know people and have talked to them but failed to mention any strong evidence to counter Mr. Rush's statement that NBA refs need to grade out much higher than 68% and that actually they need to be higher than 90%. You just stated that it could not be with no proof. If you have some, cite it or comply with the thread starter's request.
:)

Mr. Rush was in charge of officials for some time so his info and expertise qualifies him as a expert and so your argument needs to cite another expert with similar credentials.

grunewar Sun Jun 07, 2009 08:40pm

Basket Interference?
 
Tonight, 1st qtr of the Orl vs LA Game, an Orlando player appeared to block the shot of an LA player as the Orlando's player's hand went up through the basket from below - ball was not in the cylinder.

NFHS 4-6-3 - this would be a violation, correct? What's the NBA Rule?

Thanks.

mbyron Sun Jun 07, 2009 09:49pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 607166)
What's the NBA Rule?

The NBA has rules? :eek:

btaylor64 Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:35pm

It should have been a goaltend. I didn't get to see it but from what I heard was that not a sole noticed it, not even the LA players, but regardless if he reaches through and contacts the ball its illegal.

btaylor64 Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:13pm

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Originally Posted by btaylor64 (Post 607200)
It should have been a goaltend. I didn't get to see it but from what I heard was that not a sole noticed it, not even the LA players, but regardless if he reaches through and contacts the ball its illegal.

my informants lied to me! A couple of coaches and Gasol reacted to the hand up through the rim

Nevadaref Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 607166)
Tonight, 1st qtr of the Orl vs LA Game, an Orlando player appeared to block the shot of an LA player as the Orlando's player's hand went up through the basket from below - ball was not in the cylinder.

NFHS 4-6-3 - this would be a violation, correct? What's the NBA Rule?

Thanks.

RULE NO. 11-BASKETBALL INTERFERENCE-GOALTENDING
Section I-A Player Shall Not:
h. Touch the ball at any time with a hand which is through the basket ring.

PENALTY: If the violation is at the opponent's basket, the offended team is awarded two points, if the attempt is from the two point zone and three points if it is from the three point zone. The crediting of the score and subsequent procedure is the same as if the awarded score has resulted from the ball having gone through the basket, except that the official shall hand the ball to a player of the team entitled to the throw-in. If the violation is at a team's own basket, no points can be scored and the ball is awarded to the offended team at the free throw line extended on either sideline. If there is a violation by both teams, play shall be resumed by a jump ball between any two opponents at the center circle.

In the future, you can look these things up for yourself at NBA.com - Official Rules of the National Basketball Association

grunewar Mon Jun 08, 2009 04:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 607220)
In the future, you can look these things up for yourself at NBA.com - Official Rules of the National Basketball Association

Thanks for the answer and link.

grunewar Mon Jun 08, 2009 06:41pm

Rough Play in these NBA playoffs? Nah!
 
So, I'm a lookin at Youtube and I stumble upon some classic old NBA footage. Ah, tempers do flare from time to time, yes? :eek:

Grab your popcorn!

YouTube - Laimbeer and Bird

YouTube - Parish punches Laimbeer

YouTube - Kevin McHale Clotheslines Kurt Rambis


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