Rules changes Posted
 

New rules posted on FED website:

http://www.nfhs.org/core/contentmana...es_Changes.pdf

Only 2 changes:

replay can be used in state games to determined whether a shot is released at the end of the 4th or OT.

LED light if present signals end of time. If no LED, horn.

Mechanics not listed.

Also if it was a two or a three. Gee - what radical changes this season. I'm going to print them out and staple them to my bag so I won't forget them.

Actually, the fewer the number of changes, the better my feeble brain likes it.

If that's all there is, it's a good year.

Minimal changes are good.

Peace

The more minimal, the better. This is actually less than what the FED football brethren have to deal with in the fall.

What about the last of the edited rules:
Clarified that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one
foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the
other foot positioned anywhere within the designated 36 inch lane space.

One foot forward and one foot back? Why? Am I reading this right?

It's simply saying that at least one foot must be along the line. Can't have both feet back off the line.

I read that as one foot has to be near the line and the other can be anywhere including near the line.

Is that what you tell your wife? :eek: :eek:

OK - now you can reply "At least that's not what I say to your wife".

That's not an edit, it's a rule change and I don't like it. It's designed, I'm sure, to slow down the reverse pivot move from the second spot.

1. I wish they'd quit hiding rule changes as editorial changes.
2. This is too nitpicky, IMO.

Rough play isn't a POE this year? Isn't this the first year in quite a few (i seem to remember it from at least the last 3 or 4) that it hasn't been a POE?

Maybe it is, but they can't list it in the changes. ;)

This doesn't say that you have to put the other foot back -- just that one foot has to be near the line.

*slapping myself on the head* I knew you would come up with something Mark. :D

I know, and that's a change in the rule that i don't particularly like.

The NFHS changes were posted this morning. They weren't up last night. I looked.
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My thoughts:

"During state championship series contests,..."

What does that mean? Does the inclusion of the word series mean that every postseason game gets included in this rule because they are all part of the series which leads to the state championship game?

Is it only the final X number of teams that gather at the last playing site? Some states bring 16 teams to one location, some only eight, mine only four, and probably some just match the final two somewhere.

I wish that the NFHS has specified ONLY the State FINAL.

Also, I agree with Snaqs about the FT lane space foot placement (9-1-3g). Why place some arbitrary restriction on these players that is difficult to enforce consistently. How near is near? Two inches? One foot? Six inches?

That is clearly a new ruling and not an editorial change. Does the FT shooter also have to put at least one foot near the FT line when attempting the try or can he stand back near the top of the semi-circle?

BTW it looks as if someone finally took note of my posts about players in marked lane spaces being able to touch the floor inside the lane with their hands as long as their feet remain outside of the boundary and within the marked lane space. Being in push-up position along the lane is now illegal.
Is there any doubt that my mind was responsible for someone proposing 9-1-3d?

I am jumping in late with regard to R9-S1-A3g.
 

NFHS 2008-09 R9-S1-3g: "A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (2 inches by 36 inches) designated by a lane-space mark or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space (12 inches by 36 inches) designated by a neutral zone."


NFHS 2009-10 R9-S1-3g: Clarified that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the other foot positioned anywhere within the designated 36 inch lane space.


This change is just absolute nonsense.

MTD, Sr.

I guess they listened to the fans. 3 seconds is a POE.

Of all the things....

You think they would look at the things that actually make a difference in the game?

I'm impresses that we can use the red light...

Now what the Heck did I miss? Where did this imaginary rectangle come from that is only an editorial change?

I never knew that a person left the lane space when they touched outside the lane space... what the heck does leaving the lane space mean?

You know I have watched and refereed basketball for a long time, although I have no clue what means foot near outer edge means, it is a 36in deep space. is that 4 inches? is it 6 inches? is it 12?... I cant recall how long it has been since I have seen someone stand back from the FT line so far that this would be an issue (and then who cares)

Lets fix the things that need to be really fixed...

Although there are no explanatons for the POE I can just see the one liners

Travelling- Jump stops mean both feet land together and when a player catches the ball with both feet on the ground and the player hops and lands with both feet again it is a travel.

Closely Guarded means 6 feet not three....includes both dribbling and holding the ball, there is no such thing as he has to be out playing aggessive defens to have a count


Three seconds- refs have to learn to count to 3 and we dont care if a person is straddling the FT line, one foot in the lane for more than 3 seconds gains an advantage

Block Charge- the defensive player does not have to be set- Not every blco charge is a block-do not penalize good defense because the offense it out of control

FT administration Lets see we shoot one shot/one and one/ or two... they palyers line up and they cant delay But gee that would be a delay of game thing... Maybe it is because we dont bouce the ball high enough, or what... Maybe there are some areas but is this worth the ink it is written on or what did I miss?

Come on, Kelvin, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. :D

Looks to me like they went out for refreshing cocktails before the final vote.

What on earth is a "state championship series?" As if high schools are in best-of-7. I see that as meaning all post-season.

What in god's creation is "near?" Is it anything like being an "almost" virgin?

What the $@!!# is the rectangle?

And what and were are the standards for replay? Who controls the image? No standardization of angles? Is some Mommy's video cam thrust in your face after the final horn (excuse me, I meant LED, if available) sufficient to rule on a last shot? Are the angles of the cameras given de facto preference over experienced officials who know and anticipate the last shot and position themselves accordingly?

Careful there buddy...you might get some very anal people upset with that combination. :p :D

Rectangle ???
 

Clarified that the imaginary rectangle designates the area to be used for time-outs.

NFHS 1-13-3: The bench area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

NFHS 5-12-5: The 60-second time-out conference with team members shall be conducted within the confines of the bench area. Players shall remain standing within the confines of the bench area during a 30-second time-out.

What needed clarification ???

So last year if a player's feet didn't break the plane of a marked lane space but he put his hand on the ground outside of the space he had violated?

For Your Viewing Pleasure ...
 

2009-10 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES CHANGES

2-2-1 Note New: During state championship series contests, game or replay officials are permitted to use a replay monitor to determine when a try for goal at the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or any overtime period (0:00 on the game clock) should be counted, and if so, determine if it is a two- or a three-point goal.

5-6-2: When a red light behind the backboard or an LED light on the backboard is present, it is permitted to signal the expiration of time in the quarter/extra period. If no red/LED light is present, the audible timer’s
signal will continue to signal the expiration of time.

2009-10 NFHS MAJOR EDITORIAL CHANGES

1-13-3, 5-12-5: Clarified that the imaginary rectangle designates the area to be used for time-outs.

2-12-5 Note New: A note was added to clarify when the 20-second interval begins to replace an injured player.

3-7: Clarified that any item, in the referee’s judgment, that constitutes a safety concern is not permitted.

9-1-3d: Clarified that a player leaves a marked lane space when he or she contacts any part of the court outside the marked lane space (36 inches by 36 inches).

9-1-3g: Clarified that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the other foot positioned anywhere within the designated 36 inch lane space.

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

By the wording of the rule, no. That is a point that I have made on this forum several times in the past. The rule very clearly only restricted the player's feet. There was no previous definition of "leaving a marked lane-space." If you do a search of the past threads, you can find one of our discussions on this.

But they can AND DO list the POEs just below the changes. What page were you looking at? :confused: ;)

2009-10 POINTS OF EMPHASIS
1. Traveling
2. Closely guarded
3. Three-seconds
4. Block/Charge
5. Free-throw administration

Exactly. So back to my original question. When was the last time rough play WASN'T a POE?

2006-07 Points of Emphasis
1. Concussions
2. Uniforms
3. Time-outs
4. Intentional Fouls (did NOT mention "rough play" in the paragraph)
5. Rules Enforcement/Proper Signal Use


Prior to that 2004-05 when the POEs were:
1. Closely Guarded
2. Time-out Administration
3. Legal Player Positioning
4. Specific Unsporting Acts


Bet you were thinking that it had been a lot longer than that, huh? ;)

I was being facetious.

This doesn't change the fact that breaking the lane line plane before the ball hits the rim is a violation, right?

Just curious, but what makes you ask that?

A lane violation is defined as breaking the free throw lane line plane before the FT attempt hits the rim or back board. My first glance over this new interp gave me the impression that they were altering that to "a player's foot must touch the floor outside the lane space to be a violation". But I assume that is incorrect, am I right?

Yes/No (depening on which question I'm answering).

They have not changed the rule that says it is a violation when a player's foot breaks the plane FT lane line plane before the ball hits.

What they've changed is to say that if you touch the floor outside the space with any part of the body, you've left the space. It just so happens that a player may have violated with the foot breaking the plane before they touch in the lane. But, a hand breaking the plane is not a violation unless and until it touches the floor (with the last point being the focus of the change). Some/Most of us felt this was a violation all along and was covered by player location rules (at least in princibple....you are where you are touching) but others felt it needed to be spelled out and so it was.

That's not a clarification, that's a rule CHANGE.

A player occupying a marked lane space may not have either foot beyond the vertical plane of the outside edge of any lane boundary, or beyond the vertical plane of any edge of the space

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad (Post 600413) This doesn't say that you have to put the other foot back -- just that one foot has to be near the line.

What is near? One inch? Six inches? An incomplete rule CHANGE.

Tony, the above quote by shishstripes is NOT what the NFHS wrote. It is his attempt to paraphrase the actual NFHS clarification. Unfortunately, in doing so, he altered the core of the meaning which incorrectly gave the impression that the NFHS had changed something which they didn't.

The actual text of the NFHS clarification is below. It still should probably be classified as a change or the addition of a new definition, but it is not anything as drastic as what shishstripes wrote.

9-1-3d Clarified that a player leaves a marked lane space when he or she
contacts any part of the court outside the marked lane space (36 inches
by 36 inches).

Closure ...
 

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3635/...c156a02a_m.jpg

Like a rebounder falling into the lane, and doing a push up with his hands in the lane, while his feet are still behind the plane of the lane line. That situation has been discussed here on the Forum at least once, with no closure to the interpretation, until now.

I was, but now that you mention all of this, I'm pretty certain I was getting it confused with NCAAM where I'm positive rough play has been a POE for a number of years straight. But I thought we'd talked about it recently in HS as well also.

NFHS Press Release ...
 

INDIANAPOLIS, IN (May 11, 2009) - Replay equipment may be used in state high school basketball championships next year to determine the final outcome of games.

In its April 13-15 meeting in Indianapolis, the National Federation of State High School Associations (NFHS) Basketball Rules Committee voted to permit state high school associations to use a replay monitor to review field-goal attempts at the expiration of time in the fourth quarter or any overtime period, but only in games when the last-second attempt would affect the outcome of the game.

This addition to Rule 2-2-1 was one of two major rules changes and five major editorial revisions approved by the Basketball Rules Committee. All changes were subsequently approved by the NFHS Board of Directors.
In response to end-of-game situations in three state championships during the 2007-08 season (South Carolina, Michigan, Ohio), the committee decided to give state associations the opportunity to use technology, if available, to assist in making sure that the correct team is awarded the state championship. Replay or game officials will be able to determine if the attempt occurred before time expired (0:00 on clock), and whether the shot was a two-point or three-point attempt.

"Coaches, participants, spectators and media now hold game officials to a higher, almost impossible standard," said Mary Struckhoff, NFHS assistant director and liaison to the Basketball Rules Committee. "When available, technology should be used to assist game officials and administrators in making the correct call when the outcome of the game hangs in the balance and a team has no further opportunity to overcome a critical error. This change provides state associations that opportunity."

Although not directly linked to the replay change, the other rule change approved by the committee could enhance the reviews of end-of-game situations. Beginning with the 2009-10 season, if a red light behind the backboard or an LED light on the backboard is present, it is permitted to signal the expiration of time in the quarter/extra period. If no red light/LED light is present, the audible timer's signal will continue to signal the expiration of time. In the past, use of the red light/LED light was not permitted even in those facilities that had one.

"This change allows the technology to be used if it's available, and in those situations when replay officials are reviewing end-of-game attempts, the red light/LED light should be helpful," Struckhoff said. "All other end-of-period rules remain intact."

Two of the five editorial changes were approved in response to last year's major rule change in which all players moved up one lane space during a free-throw attempt, thereby leaving the two marked lane spaces closest to the end line vacant.

New language in Rule 9-1-3d states that a player leaves a marked lane space when he or she contacts any part of the court outside the marked lane space (3 feet by 3 feet). A clarification to Rule 9-1-3g indicates that a player occupying a marked lane space must have one foot positioned near the outer edge of the free-throw lane line with the other positioned anywhere within the designated 36-inch lane space.

Struckhoff said these changes were necessitated by players attempting to leave their positions too early to gain a rebound advantage.

The remaining editorial changes are as follows:
Rules 1-13-3, 5-12-5: Clarified that the imaginary rectangle designated the area to be used for time-outs.
Rule 2-12-5 NOTE: Clarified when the 20-second interval begins to replace an injured player.
Rule 3-7: Clarified that any item, in the referee's judgment, that constitutes a safety concern is not permitted.

The committee also adopted five points of emphasis for the upcoming season. The identified topics include traveling, closely guarded, three-seconds, block/charge and free-throw administration.

According to the 2007-08 High School Athletics Participation Survey conducted by the NFHS, basketball is the most popular sport for girls with 449,450 participants in 17,564 schools. For boys, basketball is first in school sponsorship with 17,861 and second to football with 552,935 participants.