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dweigs Tue Apr 07, 2009 01:22am

Tax Season
 
Hey Guys and Gals,

As tax season has come and is almost gone I just had a few questions for you officials and how you go about doing your taxes. I myself received two 1099's from two different schools because I worked at those places a lot during the seasons of football, softball, basketball, and now some baseball. Being that we have to claim that as income during tax time, what do you guys write off during taxes? Do you keep track of mileage? What are your expenses? Basically im trying to think of ways to save myself some money come tax time next year.(Im a college student also with another part time job, money means a lot!) Thanks in advance!

grunewar Tue Apr 07, 2009 06:44am

An oft asked question this time of year. Save everything - mileage receipts, expenses for uniforms, training, books, etc. I see a tax accountant and let him worry about it. :D

One sad thing about taxes is....you really find out just how little you actually make after you see how much you actually spent....

BillyMac Tue Apr 07, 2009 06:45am

Tax Advice ...
 
My accountant asks for, and I provide, the following information: total income; total dues, fees, fines, insurance, etc.; total round trip mileage from home to all games, scrimmages, meetings, clinics, camps, etc.; total equipment purchases (uniforms, shoes, whistles, etc.), he allows me $5.00 per week for laundry.

I'll check with him to see if I missed something. I'll see him Sunday. It's visiting day at the prison. That reminds me. I need to bake a cake, and buy a file. He's a great accountant. He use to work for the firm of Cook, Books & Hyde. He recently took a position at the firm of Dewey, Cheatam & Howe.

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Indianaref Tue Apr 07, 2009 07:06am

I think you can deduct massages.:D

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Apr 07, 2009 08:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 594563)
I think you can deduct massages.:D


But only if it does NOT have a happy ending, :D.

MTD, Sr.

Indianaref Tue Apr 07, 2009 08:53am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 594581)
But only if it does NOT have a happy ending, :D.

MTD, Sr.

But only if she is wear a blue dress.

Camron Rust Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by dweigs (Post 594554)
Hey Guys and Gals,

As tax season has come and is almost gone I just had a few questions for you officials and how you go about doing your taxes. I myself received two 1099's from two different schools because I worked at those places a lot during the seasons of football, softball, basketball, and now some baseball. Being that we have to claim that as income during tax time, what do you guys write off during taxes? Do you keep track of mileage? What are your expenses? Basically im trying to think of ways to save myself some money come tax time next year.(Im a college student also with another part time job, money means a lot!) Thanks in advance!

You imply above that not receiving a 1099 means you don't have to claim income during tax time. If that is so, you are mistaken.

Even if you only worked once at a school and only earned $10 from them, you have to claim it on your taxes. Income is income. How much only affects when the paying party must file a 1099...not its taxibility.

Mark Padgett Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 594563)
I think you can deduct massages.:D

That's why I got Bambi a federal tax ID number.

http://images.craveonline.com/articl...le_massage.jpg

bbcof83 Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:55am

I am pretty new to all of this. First post, have been reading for a few months.

So next year I need to claim the income on my taxes from each different school/district? Even though I only made like $1000 from games in 2009? Could the IRS audit me for this if I don't? How would the IRS even know if I made less than a couple hundred bucks at any given school and the school didn't report it?

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:35pm

The schools report everything, so it's a safe bet to report any income, especially if you filled out any paperwork, i.e. payment voucher, contract, or W-9.

Mark Padgett Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbcof83 (Post 594622)
I am pretty new to all of this. First post, have been reading for a few months.

So next year I need to claim the income on my taxes from each different school/district? Even though I only made like $1000 from games in 2009? Could the IRS audit me for this if I don't? How would the IRS even know if I made less than a couple hundred bucks at any given school and the school didn't report it?

Yes, yes and yes. As to your final question, do you really want to take the chance of winding up at Gitmo? :eek:

mbyron Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbcof83 (Post 594622)
How would the IRS even know if I made less than a couple hundred bucks at any given school and the school didn't report it?

That's not really the question. The question is: are you OK with losing your license and never officiating again after you're convicted of felony tax evasion?

I made $8K+ officiating last year, reported all of it, and reported net income of $487 (after expenses). In 2007 I had a $900 loss, which carried over, so I'm paying no tax on my 2008 income.

If I were, the tax on that couldn't be more than $200, no matter what my bracket. If I were college-aged, the tax would probably be $0-$100. Fewer than 4 game fees, big whoop.

The risk/benefit ratio for not paying is very bad, IMO.

bbcof83 Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:57pm

OK, thanks for the input guys. So I only have to claim my net income, meaning my revenue minus my expenses? What is the mileage rate given by the IRS? Also, can anyone confirm it's ok to claim camp expenses (fees, hotels, mileage, etc)?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Apr 07, 2009 01:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 594641)
That's not really the question. The question is: are you OK with losing your license and never officiating again after you're convicted of felony tax evasion?

I made $8K+ officiating last year, reported all of it, and reported net income of $487 (after expenses). In 2007 I had a $900 loss, which carried over, so I'm paying no tax on my 2008 income.

If I were, the tax on that couldn't be more than $200, no matter what my bracket. If I were college-aged, the tax would probably be $0-$100. Fewer than 4 game fees, big whoop.

The risk/benefit ratio for not paying is very bad, IMO.


mbyron:

How did you carry over a loss on a Schedule C from one year to the next? That is a new one to me.

MTD, Sr.

jdmara Tue Apr 07, 2009 02:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbcof83 (Post 594644)
OK, thanks for the input guys. So I only have to claim my net income, meaning my revenue minus my expenses? What is the mileage rate given by the IRS? Also, can anyone confirm it's ok to claim camp expenses (fees, hotels, mileage, etc)?

Post #19 Tax write offs The schedule C form is what needs to be filled out. Most tax programs do a fairly good job of walking you through it however. It must be noted (unless otherwise stated) that we are not tax accountants and we can't be held labile for audits here on the forum :cool: The easiest way I found it to be done is take it to a tax professional the first year. Then every year thereafter I just use that year's as a template on how to fill out the form. MTD Sr. did a great breakdown of everything in the link from last year (Thanks Mark)

As someone stated perviously, you must include ALL game fees as income. To my knowledge (or at least here in Iowa) all school report EVERY expense. They do that because they are audited every year. So if I wanted to know how much I made from a particular school, I can go on their public records website and find out through their spreadsheet. It's not worth it to get audited.

Here are the records I keep on my palm pilot (used a paper calendar before I got my palm): Contest information (site, schools, partner), round trip mileage, amount paid (contest and mileage fees), Paid or not paid, and other expenses. I also keep camp fees, hotel fees, food for overnight stays, insurance fees, licensing fees, etc as well on my palm pilot. These can all be included (see your local tax preparer for clarification). Periodically, I go through my calendar and make a handy spreadsheet for everything. Then when tax time comes around I have it all in one place.

My $0.02.

-Josh

jdmara Tue Apr 07, 2009 02:35pm

BTW, I was wondering when this topic would surface :D

-Josh

bbcof83 Tue Apr 07, 2009 02:54pm

Thanks Josh, that was a very helpful post.

Mark Padgett Tue Apr 07, 2009 03:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 594662)
As someone stated perviously

Freudian slip? :D

FBullock Tue Apr 07, 2009 03:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbcof83 (Post 594644)
OK, thanks for the input guys. So I only have to claim my net income, meaning my revenue minus my expenses? What is the mileage rate given by the IRS? Also, can anyone confirm it's ok to claim camp expenses (fees, hotels, mileage, etc)?

I'm not a CPA (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express) but my accountant deducts all those things. There are some special rules on meals and what you can deduct, if you stayed overnight, etc. I keep a log sheet in my planner and transfer it to an Excel spreadsheet and e-mail it to my account. He likes that because he can sort it, etc. and the number total them selves. It also helps that my account was the H on my Div III football crew for about 5 years.

He keeps me out of trouble

mbyron Tue Apr 07, 2009 04:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 594647)
mbyron:

How did you carry over a loss on a Schedule C from one year to the next? That is a new one to me.

MTD, Sr.

Hmm, I might be thinking of local tax, which is freshest in my mind. Never mind that part... :o

jdmara Tue Apr 07, 2009 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 594672)
Freudian slip? :D

Wow...That was...Good catch

-Josh

EIA REF Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:46pm

My tax guy suggested also deducting my cell phone as a business phone. I purchased a GPS devise last year as well for getting to games and put that in as a deduction for expenses.

Lots of officials in the area do not record any income from games for taxes. I would not be to worried about those of us that may do it incorrectly. We can always point the finger to those who don't do it at all.

I have listed my income and expenses for taxes 7 years now. It seems to work.

Camron Rust Thu Apr 09, 2009 06:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by EIA REF (Post 594992)
My tax guy suggested also deducting my cell phone as a business phone. I purchased a GPS devise last year as well for getting to games and put that in as a deduction for expenses.

Lots of officials in the area do not record any income from games for taxes. I would not be to worried about those of us that may do it incorrectly. We can always point the finger to those who don't do it at all.

I have listed my income and expenses for taxes 7 years now. It seems to work.

You can certainly do that, but the IRS will expect you to be writing a check with the other 9 fingers.

tballump Thu Apr 09, 2009 07:22pm

Isn't all this money reportable on federal taxes as part of your total income, and also on the social security schedule F (??)where you have to pay the full 15% social security and medicare part?? Also isn't this reportable on state taxes and local taxes including having to fill out quarterly income tax papers that go with this income since you are essentially an independent contractor for your services?

Amesman Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:23pm

I've had some seriously veteran officials who do mostly park district, kid travel games, etc. actually say they'll stop doing games for a certain entity for a while if they're approaching a $600 threshhold for the year (at least I think that was the figure he used).

Seemed to imply one only had to declare if he or she made more than $600 in a given year. Does this sound familiar?

just another ref Fri Apr 10, 2009 02:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 595064)
I've had some seriously veteran officials who do mostly park district, kid travel games, etc. actually say they'll stop doing games for a certain entity for a while if they're approaching a $600 threshhold for the year (at least I think that was the figure he used).

Seemed to imply one only had to declare if he or she made more than $600 in a given year. Does this sound familiar?

You get $600 from one place, they send you a 1099.

Amesman Fri Apr 10, 2009 07:28am

So stay short of $600, no 1099, no declaration, no worries? Something tells me that's assuming too much but what do the men and women (who no doubt would like to preserve as much of their sweated out equity from this business as possible) have to say?

Raymond Fri Apr 10, 2009 07:44am

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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 595104)
So stay short of $600, no 1099, no declaration, no worries? Something tells me that's assuming too much but what do the men and women (who no doubt would like to preserve as much of their sweated out equity from this business as possible) have to say?

It's still reportable. I used to work for a Rec assigner who gave you a 1099 if you made $600 working for him. But he always reminded those of us who didn't get one that is was still our responsibility to claim the income.

mbyron Fri Apr 10, 2009 08:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 595104)
So stay short of $600, no 1099, no declaration, no worries? Something tells me that's assuming too much but what do the men and women (who no doubt would like to preserve as much of their sweated out equity from this business as possible) have to say?

Do they cheat on the field, too?

jdmara Mon Apr 20, 2009 02:01pm

Ran across an interesting "article" the other day while I was putting together an improved spreadsheet for my taxes (for next year).

http://nuaumpiresusa.org/libitems/NUA_Tax.pdf

I agree with most every deduction on there but the following two: "Meals between games of doubleheaders" and "Meals between work and evening game". Does anyone agree or disagree with these two deductions?

-Josh

Welpe Mon Apr 20, 2009 02:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tballump (Post 595041)
Also isn't this reportable on state taxes and local taxes including having to fill out quarterly income tax papers that go with this income since you are essentially an independent contractor for your services?

I've asked my tax pro about those along with estimated payments and she has told me not to worry about them. Your mileage may vary.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Apr 20, 2009 02:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 596863)
Ran across an interesting "article" the other day while I was putting together an improved spreadsheet for my taxes (for next year).

http://nuaumpiresusa.org/libitems/NUA_Tax.pdf

I agree with most every deduction on there but the following two: "Meals between games of doubleheaders" and "Meals between work and evening game". Does anyone agree or disagree with these two deductions?

-Josh

Did anyone see this one??? "Incontinence Supplies" :D

Or how about this one??? "Impairment Related Expenses" :D

jdmara Mon Apr 20, 2009 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 596880)
Did anyone see this one??? "Incontinence Supplies" :D

Or how about this one??? "Impairment Related Expenses" :D

I did notice that too but thought I better not get "certain people" started on it lol I have always heard it's a no-no to include meals from work to games or meals between games. Just curious

-Josh

Raymond Mon Apr 20, 2009 03:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 596880)
Did anyone see this one??? "Incontinence Supplies" :D

Or how about this one??? "Impairment Related Expenses" :D

I thought those write-offs were only for deranged astronauts?

Johnny Ringo Mon Apr 20, 2009 05:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 594641)
I made $8K+ officiating last year, reported all of it, and reported net income of $487 (after expenses). In 2007 I had a $900 loss, which carried over, so I'm paying no tax on my 2008 income.

You made $8k and after expenses made only $487?

mbyron Tue Apr 21, 2009 06:45am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 596923)
You made $8k and after expenses made only $487?

Yes.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Apr 21, 2009 07:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 596979)
Yes.

Hmmmm....we need to talk! :D

Raymond Tue Apr 21, 2009 07:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 596986)
Hmmmm....we need to talk! :D

Mileage, mileage, mileage.

IREFU2 Tue Apr 21, 2009 07:59am

Yep, mileage will do it every time.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Apr 21, 2009 08:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 596989)
Mileage, mileage, mileage.

What else besides mileage...I racked up plenty. Uniform purchase, dues/registration fees, laundry allowances...that was what I had in 2008...what am I missing? :confused:

Raymond Tue Apr 21, 2009 08:54am

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 597004)
What else besides mileage...I racked up plenty. Uniform purchase, dues/registration fees, laundry allowances...that was what I had in 2008...what am I missing? :confused:

Mileage is always my biggest write-off. My 2nd biggest this past year was the camp I attended in Orlando: camp fee, plane ticket, motel, rental car.

IREFU2 Tue Apr 21, 2009 08:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 597006)
Mileage is always my biggest write-off. My 2nd biggest this past year was the camp I attended in Orlando: camp fee, plane ticket, motel, rental car.

Same here with me as well, camp and clinics as well as supplies (Whistles, Uniforms, shoes). I have not tried to deduct my cell phone bill yet.

Raymond Tue Apr 21, 2009 09:08am

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Originally Posted by IREFU2 (Post 597008)
... I have not tried to deduct my cell phone bill yet.

I've done that. A percentage of my bill in the months I actually officiate. As well as my internet bill (COX cable).

IREFU2 Tue Apr 21, 2009 09:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 597012)
I've done that. A percentage of my bill in the months I actually officiate. As well as my internet bill (COX cable).

Call me at work.

jdmara Tue Apr 21, 2009 09:50am

I just can't see including meals between work and the game. I don't think the code allows that but maybe I'm mistaken.

I always think it's a successful year if I end up in positive territory.

-Josh

mbyron Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 597028)
I just can't see including meals between work and the game. I don't think the code allows that but maybe I'm mistaken.

I always think it's a successful year if I end up in positive territory.

-Josh

Why wouldn't the code allow such meals? They're allowed for business travel out of town (within limits).

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:30am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 597012)
I've done that. A percentage of my bill in the months I actually officiate. As well as my internet bill (COX cable).

I do that as well...still...what else am I missing? :confused:

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 597028)
I just can't see including meals between work and the game. I don't think the code allows that but maybe I'm mistaken.

I always think it's a successful year if I end up in positive territory.

-Josh

Josh,

I do this a lot, especially during football and basketball season. I'll grab something for the ride to the game or the ride home after the game (depending on what little town I'm headed to in Nebraska or Iowa), and keep the receipt.

jdmara Tue Apr 21, 2009 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 597038)
Why wouldn't the code allow such meals? They're allowed for business travel out of town (within limits).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 597043)
Josh,

I do this a lot, especially during football and basketball season. I'll grab something for the ride to the game or the ride home after the game (depending on what little town I'm headed to in Nebraska or Iowa), and keep the receipt.

I'm all for it because, as you gentleman know, it's a practice I believe most of us do rushing from work to games. I've never been able to justify it to my satisfaction but I'm definitely a tax novice at best. I will definitely start keeping my receipts from this point forward.

-Josh

tballump Wed Apr 22, 2009 07:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 596865)
I've asked my tax pro about those along with estimated payments and she has told me not to worry about them. Your mileage may vary.

Concerning the State and Local does this mean I just report it all at the end of the year rather than quarterly?

Drizzle Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 597038)
Why wouldn't the code allow such meals? They're allowed for business travel out of town (within limits).

Publication 463 (2008), Travel, Entertainment, Gift, and Car Expenses

From what I can understand, unless you're traveling so far where you need a place to sleep, you cannot deduct meals. I'm not a tax professional, though.

just another ref Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drizzle (Post 597349)
Publication 463 (2008), Travel, Entertainment, Gift, and Car Expenses

From what I can understand, unless you're traveling so far where you need a place to sleep, you cannot deduct meals. I'm not a tax professional, though.

You can deduct the cost of meals in either of the following situations.

*

It is necessary for you to stop for substantial sleep or rest to properly perform your duties while traveling away from home on business.
*

The meal is business-related entertainment.





Which at the high school level is, basically, never.

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Apr 23, 2009 02:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drizzle (Post 597349)
Publication 463 (2008), Travel, Entertainment, Gift, and Car Expenses

From what I can understand, unless you're traveling so far where you need a place to sleep, you cannot deduct meals. I'm not a tax professional, though.

This isn't the only situation listed. There's another one. But if you read the entire publication, it does appear as long as the meal was not extravagent or horribly expensive, and you are away from home long enough that it is impossible to eat a meal at home, it can be a business expense.

An example: an all-day business trip I took on behalf of my employer. It was a 2 1/2 hour drive one way, and I had breakfast before I left, and arrived back well before supper, so the employer reimbursed me for lunch because I was still on the road for lunch time.

I understand the same logic applies to meals when doing officiating. Since we normally leave at 3:30 or 4:00 for a long road trip to do a football game and sometimes don't arrive till midnight, dinner would be a business expense because we are not eating at home.

Mark Padgett Thu Apr 23, 2009 02:56pm

I save a lot of money each year on my taxes because I list Bambi on them. She comes under the category of "Monkey Business Deduction". :rolleyes:

WhistlesAndStripes Fri Apr 24, 2009 09:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 597486)
I save a lot of money each year on my taxes because I list Bambi on them. She comes under the category of "Monkey Business Deduction". :rolleyes:

A dentist in my local area was recently convicted of tax evasion. Among the improper deductions listed in the newspaper that he took included expenses incurred at some Brothels in Nevada. He claimed those expenses as "professional education."

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 597595)
A dentist in my local area was recently convicted of tax evasion. Among the improper deductions listed in the newspaper that he took included expenses incurred at some Brothels in Nevada. He claimed those expenses as "professional education."

The problem is the IRS and the U.S. Attorneys office didn't buy the arguement that a certain sex act leaves bruises in the "escort's" mouth and the dentist was researching that. I know that bruises are an after-effect of a certain sex act because it was an out-of-the-blue comment made by a dental hygiene instructor where I teach at. :D


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