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drmarcus Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:42am
kicked ball?
 
If a player unintentionally hits the ball with his leg or foot, is that a kicked ball violation? If A1 throws a pass and it hits off B1's leg or foot while B1's foot is on the floor and B1 has made no effort to stop the ball with his leg or foot, that is not a violation, as I understand it. But what if its the same situation, but B1 has jumped (but has still not purposefully moved his leg to hit the ball)?

What if there is a loose ball and A1 in making a normal running motion, and making no intentional effort to hit the ball with his leg, strikes the ball with his shin or knee, is that a violation?

What if A1 throws a pass to A2 and the pass hits A2's foot or leg before any other part of the body, is that a violation?

Thanks in advance.

Ch1town Wed Apr 01, 2009 11:44am
Quote:
Originally Posted by drmarcus (Post 593261)
If a player unintentionally hits the ball with his leg or foot, is that a kicked ball violation? If A1 throws a pass and it hits off B1's leg or foot while B1's foot is on the floor and B1 has made no effort to stop the ball with his leg or foot, that is not a violation, as I understand it. But what if its the same situation, but B1 has jumped (but has still not purposefully moved his leg to hit the ball)?

What if there is a loose ball and A1 in making a normal running motion, and making no intentional effort to hit the ball with his leg, strikes the ball with his shin or knee, is that a violation?

What if A1 throws a pass to A2 and the pass hits A2's foot or leg before any other part of the body, is that a violation?

Thanks in advance.
The main criteria for calling a kicking violation is the word intentional.

grunewar Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:00pm
Look Out Below.....
 
drmarcus - if you look at the very bottom of this page you will see some "Similar Threads" which have other questions and scenarios, points of view, and comments on this same subject with sometimes a slightly different twist - or not.

Reviewing these threads is another good way to expand your knowledge of the subject.

Good luck and welcome aboard!

Indianaref Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:06pm
Your question reminds me of a song by Bread in the 70's called "If".

dsqrddgd909 Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 593282)
Your question reminds me of a song by Bread in the 70's called "If".
Ahhh the good old days. That album by Bread was the quintessential make out album.

Mark Padgett Wed Apr 01, 2009 02:41pm
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Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 593290)
Ahhh the good old days. That album by Bread was the quintessential make out album.
No, that would be Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite album released in 1909 by Odeon Records. I remember listening to it while making out with actress Clara Bow in the back seat of my Stanley Steamer. Ahhhh - the good old days.

M&M Guy Wed Apr 01, 2009 02:55pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 593346)
I remember listening to it while making out with actress Clara Bow in the back seat of my Stanley Steamer.
What's so romantic about this? :confused:
http://www.stanleysteemer.com/Images/OriginalVan.gif

IUgrad92 Wed Apr 01, 2009 03:00pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by drmarcus (Post 593261)
If a player unintentionally hits the ball with his leg or foot, is that a kicked ball violation? If A1 throws a pass and it hits off B1's leg or foot while B1's foot is on the floor and B1 has made no effort to stop the ball with his leg or foot, that is not a violation, as I understand it. But what if its the same situation, but B1 has jumped (but has still not purposefully moved his leg to hit the ball)?

What if there is a loose ball and A1 in making a normal running motion, and making no intentional effort to hit the ball with his leg, strikes the ball with his shin or knee, is that a violation?

What if A1 throws a pass to A2 and the pass hits A2's foot or leg before any other part of the body, is that a violation?

Thanks in advance.

Heard this at some point and it rang true to me. Did the ball hit the player's leg or did the player's leg hit the ball? Answer that question and you'll know if you have a violation or not.

Mark Padgett Wed Apr 01, 2009 04:11pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 593350)
What's so romantic about this? :confused:
http://www.stanleysteemer.com/Images/OriginalVan.gif
The soap and hoses. Never mind. ;)

Bad Zebra Wed Apr 01, 2009 04:23pm
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Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 593290)
Ahhh the good old days. That album by Bread was the quintessential make out album.
I had it on 8-track. No kidding, unfortunately.

Mark Padgett Wed Apr 01, 2009 04:32pm
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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 593373)
I had it on 8-track. No kidding, unfortunately.
I had the Nutcracker album on my gramophone. No kidding, unfortunately.

BTW - that album is generally considered the first "album" ever made.

JugglingReferee Wed Apr 01, 2009 04:41pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by drmarcus (Post 593261)
If a player unintentionally hits the ball with his leg or foot, is that a kicked ball violation? If A1 throws a pass and it hits off B1's leg or foot while B1's foot is on the floor and B1 has made no effort to stop the ball with his leg or foot, that is not a violation, as I understand it. But what if its the same situation, but B1 has jumped (but has still not purposefully moved his leg to hit the ball)?

What if there is a loose ball and A1 in making a normal running motion, and making no intentional effort to hit the ball with his leg, strikes the ball with his shin or knee, is that a violation?

What if A1 throws a pass to A2 and the pass hits A2's foot or leg before any other part of the body, is that a violation?

Thanks in advance.
You get paid to determine if it was intentional or not. Earn your money. ;)

grunewar Wed Apr 01, 2009 04:45pm
How OT Can You Go?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 593373)
I had it on 8-track. No kidding, unfortunately.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 593378)
I had the Nutcracker album on my gramophone. No kidding, unfortunately.
My first album was Billy Joel's first solo album Cold Spring Harbor (1971) and my dog, Elke, ate most of the cover.....bit%$! I still have it too!

No kidding, unfortunately. :(

BillyMac Wed Apr 01, 2009 06:00pm
F***ing Filter ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 593385)
My dog, Elke, ate most of the cover, bit%$
It's not a swear word when your refer to a female dog. The filter should let it through.

Forksref Thu Apr 02, 2009 06:17am
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Originally Posted by dsqrddgd909 (Post 593290)
Ahhh the good old days. That album by Bread was the quintessential make out album.
"The Sea" - narration by Rod McKuen and music by The San Sabastian Strings

JugglingReferee Thu Apr 02, 2009 06:24am
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Originally Posted by deidradavis (Post 593488)
actually referee decides that it was intentional or not. So he will take the last decision.
hahahahaha

mick Thu Apr 02, 2009 07:16am
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Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 593489)
"The Sea" - narration by Rod McKuen and music by The San Sabastian Strings
Oh, my !
I had forgotten....
Very true.

Lcubed48 Fri Apr 03, 2009 03:59am
Rumble Seat???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 593346)
No, that would be Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker Suite album released in 1909 by Odeon Records. I remember listening to it while making out with actress Clara Bow in the back seat of my Stanley Steamer. Ahhhh - the good old days.
:confused: WHO did you have the rumble seat for later? :confused: Or, were they after your time? :confused:

Indianaref Fri Apr 03, 2009 08:19am
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Originally Posted by DeidraDavis (Post 593769)
Hey this only will decide by the match referee . And he give decision after seeing the intention of the player.
Ha Ha Ha HA

Scrapper1 Fri Apr 03, 2009 09:58am
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 593491)
hahahahaha
Quote:
Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 593795)
Ha Ha Ha HA
Ok, I don't get it. Why are we laughing at Deidra? Is she a spammer that I haven't noticed before? She only has two posts, both in this thread, and they seem to struggle with the English language. We're not laughing at her for trying to write in a second language, are we? Or am I missing something obvious?

mick Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:06am
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 593825)
Ok, I don't get it. Why are we laughing at Deidra? Is she a spammer that I haven't noticed before? She only has two posts, both in this thread, and they seem to struggle with the English language. We're not laughing at her for trying to write in a second language, are we? Or am I missing something obvious?
Music lawyer

M&M Guy Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:11am
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Originally Posted by mick (Post 593847)
Music lawyer
Uh, oh...are posters going to have to start paying royalties for every song mentioned? :eek:

Nevadaref Wed Apr 08, 2009 02:53am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 593825)
Ok, I don't get it. Why are we laughing at Deidra? Is she a spammer that I haven't noticed before? She only has two posts, both in this thread, and they seem to struggle with the English language. We're not laughing at her for trying to write in a second language, are we? Or am I missing something obvious?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mick (Post 593847)
Music lawyer
I need further explanation. I still have no idea on this.

Camron Rust Wed Apr 08, 2009 03:14am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 594732)
I need further explanation. I still have no idea on this.
The name is fake. See www.musiclw.com

BillyMac Wed Apr 08, 2009 06:41am
Bien Fait Deidra ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 593825)
Why are we laughing at Deidra? She only has two posts, both in this thread, and they seem to struggle with the English language. We're not laughing at her for trying to write in a second language, are we?
Struggle? I have no problems understanding her. If I tried to use my high school French to post on this Forum, those who understand French would have no idea what I was saying, and neither would I. I'm envious of those who speak a second language. I wonder where Deidra is from?

Note: I hope that the title of my post says well done Deidra. If it doesn't, and I've ended up calling her some profanity-laced name, I apologize.

grunewar Wed Apr 08, 2009 06:54am
I've had trouble with Deidra's posts myself, but choose to pass on them.

I mean, I went to a public school and my english is not so goodly.....right mbyron? ;)

Personally, I'm here to learn and have some fun and don't care what others do/say/write....for the most part.

For me - "People who live in grass houses shouldn't stow throwns!"

Scrapper1 Wed Apr 08, 2009 10:09am
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 594733)
The name is fake. See www.musiclw.com
Not to beat a dead horse, but lots of usernames are "fake". That in itself doesn't seem like a reason to laugh at the poster. Is the choice of name funny for some reason? I still don't understand why we're laughing at this poster.

bigdog5142 Wed Apr 08, 2009 01:02pm
Hey...just to clarify for me.

I had a partner try to tell me that there was no offensive kicking the ball. I said...um...yeah there is.

I had A1 fumble the ball and use his foot to reach for the ball and draw it back between his feet so he could pick it up. I called a kicking violation and went the other way. Coach was fine with the explanation as he tried to say the same thing, but I explained that it was all about intent. He used his foot to corral the ball and that's a violation. Partner then tried to sell me on the no offensive kicked ball thing.

Was I right?

Camron Rust Wed Apr 08, 2009 01:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog5142 (Post 594840)
Hey...just to clarify for me.

I had a partner try to tell me that there was no offensive kicking the ball. I said...um...yeah there is.

I had A1 fumble the ball and use his foot to reach for the ball and draw it back between his feet so he could pick it up. I called a kicking violation and went the other way. Coach was fine with the explanation as he tried to say the same thing, but I explained that it was all about intent. He used his foot to corral the ball and that's a violation. Partner then tried to sell me on the no offensive kicked ball thing.

Was I right?
Yep.

refguy Wed Apr 08, 2009 01:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog5142 (Post 594840)
Hey...just to clarify for me.

I had a partner try to tell me that there was no offensive kicking the ball. I said...um...yeah there is.

I had A1 fumble the ball and use his foot to reach for the ball and draw it back between his feet so he could pick it up. I called a kicking violation and went the other way. Coach was fine with the explanation as he tried to say the same thing, but I explained that it was all about intent. He used his foot to corral the ball and that's a violation. Partner then tried to sell me on the no offensive kicked ball thing.

Was I right?
Yes.

BillyMac Wed Apr 08, 2009 05:49pm
That's The Old Old School, Not The New Old School ...
 
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 594778)
Lots of usernames are "fake".
Good point. Remember this is the anonymous internet. For all we know DeidraDavis might really be Jurassic Referee, or Chuck Elias, coming back to help us out, using a new username. Or DeidraDavis might be Old School coming back to haunt us.

Nevadaref Wed Apr 08, 2009 09:07pm
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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 594778)
Not to beat a dead horse, but lots of usernames are "fake". That in itself doesn't seem like a reason to laugh at the poster. Is the choice of name funny for some reason? I still don't understand why we're laughing at this poster.
Me neither. Like they said in the movie Big.

"I don't get it."


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