Originally Posted by CBracher (Post 593170)

I'm in college right now and play rec basketball on a daily basis. I never played high school basketball but I consider myself pretty knowledgable in basketball rules. The one dispute that seems to come up a lot when playing is what counts as a defensive foul in the post. I've always been told that a forearm and a hand on the offensive players back isn't a foul but two hands is. A lot of people I guard argue that both are fouls. Could anyone tell me for sure?

Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 593174)

A forearm is alright as long as it is not extended, you can have it close to your body for protection, as long as the offensive player does not have the ball. Once he gets the ball, it is hands off.

Originally Posted by CBracher (Post 593178)

It's not something we call, it's just something that gets talked about.

But thank you for helping me solve the issue. We also get into it about the whole knee wedge thing but that's an entirely different, and extremely frustrating, problem...

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 593187)

Voice first, foul second.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 593229)

Over the years, there have been "rules" (really, officiating guidelines and statements in the rules books, but generally not specificc rules themselves) that "two of anything" is a foul, "two hands" is a foul, "one hand and a knee" is a foul, etc.

I think we're now back to "displacement or hindering freedom of movement," as opposed to the specific contact method.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 593229)

Over the years, there have been "rules" (really, officiating guidelines and statements in the rules books, but generally not specificc rules themselves) that "two of anything" is a foul, "two hands" is a foul, "one hand and a knee" is a foul, etc.

I think we're now back to "displacement or hindering freedom of movement," as opposed to the specific contact method.

Originally Posted by John Adams (not the US President, the other one)

*”We strive to get 85 to 86 percent of calls correct during a game,” Adams said. “In the last two minutes we need to get 100 percent right. A referee’s mistakes in the first five minutes can be fixed, overcome by the players and the coaches; there is not enough time in the last two minutes to fix mistakes. It has a lasting effect on the game.”


*”The N.B.A. strives for a balance that leans toward the offense. We strive for a balance that does not favor offense or defense.”

*The emphasis all season, the basic tenet referees are expected to follow, has been, “freedom of movement,” Adams said. He is in favor of a series of absolutes that would be called coast to coast. One example is a defender putting two hands on a dribbler; it is an automatic foul.

Originally Posted by CBracher (Post 593170)

I'm in college right now and play rec basketball on a daily basis. I never played high school basketball but I consider myself pretty knowledgable in basketball rules. The one dispute that seems to come up a lot when playing is what counts as a defensive foul in the post. I've always been told that a forearm and a hand on the offensive players back isn't a foul but two hands is. A lot of people I guard argue that both are fouls. Could anyone tell me for sure?

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 593257)

The question we all need to ask ourselves is why don't we call more fouls on the offensive player in the post...we sometimes let them push, hold, and displace the defender and we call that "posting up," it is also a foul. Backing down a defender, arms outside the framework of the body holding the defender so they can't front, displacing the defender on the initial post up. If we are going to call a knee in the backside the moves an offensive player 2 feet we need to call fouls on the offense when the above mention items occur also.