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Juulie Downs Sun Mar 29, 2009 06:12pm

Phrase I never want to hear again...
 
Charity Stripe. Ugh. What a dorky, meaningless thing to say. it's not charity, it's restitution. And that thing painted on the floor isn't a stripe, it's a line. Stripes come in multiples.

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tomegun Sun Mar 29, 2009 06:20pm

I understand your feeling about this term that doesn't rub many of us the wrong way. I only wish we could all understand how we each have things that push our buttons.

For instance, it rubs me the wrong way when officials find a reason to call across the paint or out of their primaries. We will always have a reason to do something and a reason to not do something. How we choose to use those reasons can easily become an excuse.

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zebraman Sun Mar 29, 2009 09:02pm

What pushes my buttons is when officials, at halftime or after the game, try to justify their weak calls and you can tell that they are just making excuses.

"Boy, those 3 and-ones I called were hard fouls. Those are some talented players to have finished those off." TRANSLATION: "I have had some really weak whistles tonight and I want to justify them before they get brought up for discussion."

"Boy, the white team was sure fouling a lot at the beginning of the game. That was stupid that they put the other team in bonus so fast." TRANSLATION: "My whistle tempo is way too quick so I anticipate calls and I put fouls on players that don't deserve them. But if I blame the team, maybe it will take the spotlight off me."

"Hey guys, I hope you don't mind that I called those 4 fouls in your areas. I just thought they were too hard to let go." TRANSLATION: "I have no discipline and I want to blame you for the fact that I call all over the floor."

Mark Dexter Sun Mar 29, 2009 09:05pm

As long as others are contributing, let me toss this one out there:

"that was a good piece of officiating"

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Mark Padgett Sun Mar 29, 2009 09:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter (Post 592429)
As long as others are contributing, let me toss this one out there:

"that was a good piece of officiating"

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That usually means "We have you again next week and I'm just sucking up."

MrUmpire Sun Mar 29, 2009 09:13pm

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 592384)
Charity Stripe. Ugh. What a dorky, meaningless thing to say. it's not charity, it's restitution. And that thing painted on the floor isn't a stripe, it's a line. Stripes come in multiples.

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Cabin fever?

Rich Sun Mar 29, 2009 09:15pm

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Originally Posted by zebraman (Post 592426)
What pushes my buttons is when officials, at halftime or after the game, try to justify their weak calls and you can tell that they are just making excuses.

"Boy, those 3 and-ones I called were hard fouls. Those are some talented players to have finished those off." TRANSLATION: "I have had some really weak whistles tonight and I want to justify them before they get brought up for discussion."

"Boy, the white team was sure fouling a lot at the beginning of the game. That was stupid that they put the other team in bonus so fast." TRANSLATION: "My whistle tempo is way too quick so I anticipate calls and I put fouls on players that don't deserve them. But if I blame the team, maybe it will take the spotlight off me."

"Hey guys, I hope you don't mind that I called those 4 fouls in your areas. I just thought they were too hard to let go." TRANSLATION: "I have no discipline and I want to blame you for the fact that I call all over the floor."

Usually if a partner starts out like that, I have a reason to use the toilet for about 7 minutes (until game management gets us for the second half).

just another ref Sun Mar 29, 2009 09:24pm

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 592384)
Stripes come in multiples.

Yeah, like the stripe down a skunk's back.

http://www.nsrl.ttu.edu/tmot1/images/conemeso.jpg

Oops, bad example.:D

Kingsman1288 Tue Mar 31, 2009 02:32am

I want to shoot whoever came up with that stupid phrase "Ball Don't Lie".

Hate it. Now everytime a player goes to the free throw line and they miss the first one, someone will inevitably say "Ball Don't Lie" or some form of it. It just drives me insane...

grunewar Tue Mar 31, 2009 05:54am

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Originally Posted by Kingsman1288 (Post 592741)
Hate it. Now everytime a player goes to the free throw line and they miss the first one, someone will inevitably say "Ball Don't Lie" or some form of it. It just drives me insane...

Wow, I never heard it. :confused:

mbyron Tue Mar 31, 2009 06:15am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 592744)
Wow, I never heard it. :confused:

Nor I. But it's dumb enough to become wildly popular.

grunewar Tue Mar 31, 2009 06:46am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 592747)
Nor I. But it's dumb enough to become wildly popular.

Well, I'm no trend setter and am certainly NOT going to bring it up! ;)

bob jenkins Tue Mar 31, 2009 07:04am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288 (Post 592741)
I want to shoot whoever came up with that stupid phrase "Ball Don't Lie".

Hate it. Now everytime a player goes to the free throw line and they miss the first one, someone will inevitably say "Ball Don't Lie" or some form of it. It just drives me insane...

I first heard it 45 years ago, or so.

Everything that's old is new again.

CoachP Tue Mar 31, 2009 07:44am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 592758)
I first heard it 45 years ago, or so.

Everything that's old is new again.

"Ball Don't Lie" is the title of an NBA blog somewhere....

Raymond Tue Mar 31, 2009 07:47am

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Originally Posted by Kingsman1288 (Post 592741)
I want to shoot whoever came up with that stupid phrase "Ball Don't Lie".

Hate it. Now everytime a player goes to the free throw line and they miss the first one, someone will inevitably say "Ball Don't Lie" or some form of it. It just drives me insane...

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 592744)
Wow, I never heard it. :confused:

I hear it on a regular basis. Is that a bad thing? :o

CoachP Tue Mar 31, 2009 08:09am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 592782)
I hear it on a regular basis. Is that a bad thing? :o

When the old geezer officials start using the phrase regularly, I'm willing to bet the kids drop it in a heartbeat!:D

jkohls Tue Mar 31, 2009 09:02am

I would favor an automatic T for any player (or coach) who immediately states "and 1" after every contested shot. :)

mj Tue Mar 31, 2009 09:10am

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Originally Posted by jkohls (Post 592800)
I would favor an automatic T for any player (or coach) who immediately states "and 1" after every contested shot. :)

Ding ding. Also one I've heard during the tournament was "that's a tough call as they were both going for the ball".

Forksref Tue Mar 31, 2009 09:16am

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Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 592384)
Stripes come in multiples.

There IS another one at the other end of the court.


I dislike, "That was a great call." I prefer to think that it was the CORRECT call, nothing great about it, just doing my job.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:04am

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Originally Posted by jkohls (Post 592800)
I would favor an automatic T for any player (or coach) who immediately states "and 1" after every contested shot. :)

I handed out one Saturday for that very thing. After the HC was asked to keep his ACs silent.

icallfouls Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288 (Post 592741)
I want to shoot whoever came up with that stupid phrase "Ball Don't Lie".

Hate it. Now everytime a player goes to the free throw line and they miss the first one, someone will inevitably say "Ball Don't Lie" or some form of it. It just drives me insane...

A few summers ago, a player said that. So I asked the FT shooter what his FT percentage was. He said 55%. I told defense, stat's don't lie. :D Then I asked the defense how many fouls he commits each game, because he would be getting a couple more.

bradfordwilkins Tue Mar 31, 2009 11:56am

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Originally Posted by jkohls (Post 592800)
I would favor an automatic T for any player (or coach) who immediately states "and 1" after every contested shot. :)

I love watching video of the game and hearing the "And 1" and seeing clear video evidence of no foul... it gives me a laugh.

Had a situation this past Sunday where A1 passes the ball through the lane and it goes through untouched, A2 grabs it in the backcourt. My partner calls backcourt violation -- A2 explodes screaming it went off <b1>'s foot... I mean he was soo adament. I watch the tape and I mean its not even close, doesn't touch anyone or go within a foot of anyone.

Adam Tue Mar 31, 2009 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 592891)
Had a situation this past Sunday where A1 passes the ball through the lane and it goes through untouched, A2 grabs it in the backcourt. My partner calls backcourt violation -- A2 explodes screaming it went off <b1>'s foot... I mean he was soo adament. I watch the tape and I mean its not even close, doesn't touch anyone or go within a foot of anyone.

Did you call a technical foul?

bradfordwilkins Tue Mar 31, 2009 02:18pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 592897)
Did you call a technical foul?

Out of my area :-P

No cursing, just adamant yelling at my partner. By the time I came up to take the division line throw-in he had calmed down a little... although he did get a delay of game warning.

Raymond Tue Mar 31, 2009 02:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins (Post 592988)
Out of my area :-P

No cursing, just adamant yelling at my partner. By the time I came up to take the division line throw-in he had calmed down a little... although he did get a delay of game warning.


What kind of DOG warning did he get?

Back In The Saddle Tue Mar 31, 2009 04:43pm

I second the "and 1" sentiment. This should be an automatic death sentence.

"Are you kidding me?" "It was clean!" "All ball!" "How can that not be a foul?" I could happily live a long time without hearing any of those again.

Mark Padgett Tue Mar 31, 2009 06:21pm

Boy - the phrase I never want to hear again is, "You have the right to remain silent. If you give up the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney........"

Oh wait - we're talking about basketball. Never mind. :rolleyes:


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