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BearBoy Sun Mar 22, 2009 03:24pm

What the Hell with all the timeouts!
 
NCAA + CBS = "Corporate Greed" (The downfall of collegiate sports ECONOMY)

How can you just have a timeout.....then come out of a commercial....in bound the ball.....then get a violation or foul.....then go to commercial again?

CBS probably got a "bailout" and giving bonus commercials out! :mad:

Larks Sun Mar 22, 2009 03:30pm

FYI

http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/rules...%202008_09.pdf

ajs8207 Sun Mar 22, 2009 03:31pm

Sometimes it happens when timeouts are called right before a scheduled TV timeout. For example, a thirty second timeout is called with 16:03 left in a half. At 15:51, traveling is called. Since TV timeouts are the first stoppage of play after the 16, 12, 8, and 4 minute mark, the commercials come very quickly after each other. I agree though, very annoying.

Kelvin green Sun Mar 22, 2009 03:58pm

I wish NCAA would go to something more like what the NBA does... If a team calls a time-out (full) then you dont have to do the next mandatory time out...

Larks Sun Mar 22, 2009 04:17pm

March Money Madness: CBS Sports to spend $6 billion over 11 years for basketball tourney

CBS to ink new $6B contract for NCAA basketball - Nov. 18, 1999

Doing the math....

There are 4,015 days in 11 years (365x11).

$6,000,000,000 divided by 4015 days is $1,494,396 and, wait for it, a penny, EVERY DAY. Or approx $62,266.50 per hour, every hour of every day for 11 years.

So, yeah, If I'm CBS - I run this contract to the letter it's written and run every commercial I can.

Don't hate the player, hate the game!

LeeBallanfant Sun Mar 22, 2009 05:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larks (Post 590445)
March Money Madness: CBS Sports to spend $6 billion over 11 years for basketball tourney

CBS to ink new $6B contract for NCAA basketball - Nov. 18, 1999

Doing the math....

There are 4,015 days in 11 years (365x11).

$6,000,000,000 divided by 4015 days is $1,494,396 and, wait for it, a penny, EVERY DAY. Or approx $62,266.50 per hour, every hour of every day for 11 years.

So, yeah, If I'm CBS - I run this contract to the letter it's written and run every commercial I can.

Don't hate the player, hate the game!

and the miserable fees officials get probably account for 0.0000001% of that.

mutantducky Sun Mar 22, 2009 06:01pm

CBS coverage has been horrendous. It was awful last year and now it is worse. I already did a post how there was about 1 minute of play and 15 mins of ads while there was about 4 games going on. Then that stupid Exxon thing on the tv. Exxon the company that hopes African countries remain unstable and corrupt so they get better oil deals.

fullor30 Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 590460)
CBS coverage has been horrendous. It was awful last year and now it is worse. I already did a post how there was about 1 minute of play and 15 mins of ads while there was about 4 games going on. Then that stupid Exxon thing on the tv. Exxon the company that hopes African countries remain unstable and corrupt so they get better oil deals.


In your opinion.

GoodwillRef Mon Mar 23, 2009 06:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BearBoy (Post 590432)
NCAA + CBS = "Corporate Greed" (The downfall of collegiate sports ECONOMY)

How can you just have a timeout.....then come out of a commercial....in bound the ball.....then get a violation or foul.....then go to commercial again?

CBS probably got a "bailout" and giving bonus commercials out! :mad:

If you don't realize that MONEY runs college sports you have been living under a rock for a long time. How do you think they pay these coaches millions a dollars a year...sponsorship and tv money. You can always watch the rodeo finals on ESPN5 if you want.

GoodwillRef Mon Mar 23, 2009 06:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 590437)
I wish NCAA would go to something more like what the NBA does... If a team calls a time-out (full) then you dont have to do the next mandatory time out...


The last thing we want is the NCAA to be more like the NBA!

Scooby Mon Mar 23, 2009 07:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 590460)
CBS coverage has been horrendous. It was awful last year and now it is worse. I already did a post how there was about 1 minute of play and 15 mins of ads while there was about 4 games going on. Then that stupid Exxon thing on the tv. Exxon the company that hopes African countries remain unstable and corrupt so they get better oil deals.

This is why I have TIVO!!!

BearBoy Mon Mar 23, 2009 08:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 590579)
If you don't realize that MONEY runs college sports you have been living under a rock for a long time. How do you think they pay these coaches millions a dollars a year...sponsorship and tv money. You can always watch the rodeo finals on ESPN5 if you want.

I understand the "corporate" necessity.....but unless you have an enlarged prostate and "need" to visit the "tinkle" room during every commercial break....or if your refrigerator has an unlimited amount of food & drink.....these redundant breaks are a viewer nightmare! BRAVO for TiVo!

It's got to be frustrating to the players to just walk around during these LONG TV timeouts....what kind of game flow can you maintain? Oops....sorry 'bout the bad pun. Cheers! ;)

Raymond Mon Mar 23, 2009 08:21am

Are the media time-out rules any different for the tournament then they are for the regular season?

I know one game in the first round didn't have a single clock stoppage from 16:00 down to under 12:00 which meant they went to media times-out on back-to-back stoppages of play, but the same thing would have happened in a regular season game.

The thing I've noticed is that more 30-second times-out are being utilized by the coaches in the tournament. Similar to how there are more pitching changes during MLB post-season.

grunewar Mon Mar 23, 2009 08:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BearBoy (Post 590596)
I understand the "corporate" necessity.....but unless you have an enlarged prostate and "need" to visit the "tinkle" room during every commercial break....or if your refrigerator has an unlimited amount of food & drink.....these redundant breaks are a viewer nightmare! BRAVO for TiVo!

It's got to be frustrating to the players to just walk around during these LONG TV timeouts....what kind of game flow can you maintain? Oops....sorry 'bout the bad pun. Cheers! ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scooby (Post 590594)
This is why I have TIVO!!!

If you've ever been to a "LIVE" Big Time sporting event, almost regardless of the sport, (but especially basketball and pro football) that take a lot of commercial breaks and timeouts, it's so much worse than being at home!

Football = Kickoff -commercial, punt - commercial, interception - commercial, TD - commercial, injury - commercial, etc. AND, that's with 8 minutes to go in the first quarter! Many times the games have absolutely no flow. At least at home you can flip channels, go to the fridge, DVR/TIVO, etc.

My $.02.

refguy Mon Mar 23, 2009 01:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 590600)
Are the media time-out rules any different for the tournament then they are for the regular season?

I know one game in the first round didn't have a single clock stoppage from 16:00 down to under 12:00 which meant they went to media times-out on back-to-back stoppages of play, but the same thing would have happened in a regular season game.

The thing I've noticed is that more 30-second times-out are being utilized by the coaches in the tournament. Similar to how there are more pitching changes during MLB post-season.

20 minute half time vs. 15 minute half time
2.5 minute timeouts vs. 1.5 minute timeouts on ESPN

WreckRef Mon Mar 23, 2009 01:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 590579)
If you don't realize that MONEY runs college sports you have been living under a rock for a long time. How do you think they pay these coaches millions a dollars a year...sponsorship and tv money. You can always watch the rodeo finals on ESPN5 if you want.

I thought that was on EPSN 8, "The Ocho."

Rich Mon Mar 23, 2009 01:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WreckRef (Post 590743)
I thought that was on EPSN 8, "The Ocho."

They show dodgeball.

Adam Mon Mar 23, 2009 02:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 590579)
If you don't realize that MONEY runs college sports you have been living under a rock for a long time. How do you think they pay these coaches millions a dollars a year...sponsorship and tv money. You can always watch the rodeo finals on ESPN5 if you want.

Exactly right. If it wasn't for all that money coming in from advertisers, you wouldn't be able to see that many games.

It's like people complaining that they have to pay an ATM fee. Businesses are supposed to make a profit; they normally do that by providing a service we want and are willing to pay for.

mutantducky Mon Mar 23, 2009 02:53pm

the thing is it has gotten much worse. nfl games for example go on for a good 30 mins longer. Used to be an NBA game would be done in two hours now getting on to 3+. I would just like some control on the tv so I could switch from CBS regions to keep watching the games I want instead of having endless ads while there are games going on.

Adam Mon Mar 23, 2009 02:57pm

Isn't that available on the internet for a price? When you take it for free, you get the restrictions.

Raymond Mon Mar 23, 2009 03:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 590767)
Isn't that available on the internet for a price? When you take it for free, you get the restrictions.

It's free on the internet.

Adam Mon Mar 23, 2009 03:37pm

Except for the high speed internet connection.

mutantducky Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:05pm

cbs messup in Louisville country

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...n=ncaab,149916

mbyron Tue Mar 24, 2009 07:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 590752)
It's like people complaining that they have to pay an ATM fee. Businesses are supposed to make a profit; they normally do that by providing a service we want and are willing to pay for.

Well, it used to be the case that banks made sufficient profit by lending at interest. The definition of "sufficient" has changed in the last 20 years, and banks have instituted a raft of fees on depositors for the privilege of accessing their own money. My personal fave is a fee imposed (and later removed) by a local bank for using a teller instead of an ATM.

That said, I don't complain about ATM fees. If a bank wants to charge me an ATM fee, I find another bank.

Adam Tue Mar 24, 2009 09:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 590939)
Well, it used to be the case that banks made sufficient profit by lending at interest. The definition of "sufficient" has changed in the last 20 years, and banks have instituted a raft of fees on depositors for the privilege of accessing their own money. My personal fave is a fee imposed (and later removed) by a local bank for using a teller instead of an ATM.

That said, I don't complain about ATM fees. If a bank wants to charge me an ATM fee, I find another bank.

Agreed, but I think we're talking about separate things. I'm not talking about a bank charging you to access your money from their accounts. I'm talking about privately owned ATMs sitting in the 7/11, or Albertson's, or bank you don't have your money in. If you bank at Wells Fargo, you can use their ATMs for free, but Bank of America will charge you if you want to take your money out of Wells Fargo through the B of A machine.

I put my money where it's most advantageous, and that would not be a bank that charges me to use their machines.

I use USAA, though, so I don't get charged and they reimburse me when I take money out of someone else's machine.

ILMalti Wed Mar 25, 2009 09:06am

TV deals are "Closely Guarded " secrets :cool:

But in answering the thread the book specifically states that the 6 feet must be from foot to foot (4.10) and ends when the torso passes head and shoulder. So I would not consider a defender's back as being closely guarded, but more of s screen subjetc to teh rules set forth in 4.40

jdw3018 Wed Mar 25, 2009 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutantducky (Post 590766)
I would just like some control on the tv so I could switch from CBS regions to keep watching the games I want instead of having endless ads while there are games going on.

Get the DirecTV Mega March Madness package and you can have exactly that.

I can switch between any of the games on TV at any time. It's awesome.


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