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grunewar Thu Mar 19, 2009 06:09am

LGP and the Sideline
 
I am trying to be consistant with this call, but it bugs me when I see it. Fed Rules - A1 is dribbling down the sideline. B1 obtains LGP in somewhat to the front and is moving/and or stationary and A1 tries to get by B1 between the sideline and is "forced out of bounds" with minor contact. Case book plays below:

10.6.9 SITUATION: Dribbler A1 has established a straight-line path toward a certain area of the court. Can A1 maintain this specific path? RULING: Only to the extent that no opponent who is behind or to the side can crowd A1 out of this path. Opponents may attempt to obtain a legal guarding position in A1’s path at any time. To obtain an initial legal guarding position, both feet of the guard must be on the court and the guard must be facing the dribbler prior to contact. Time and distance are not factors in obtaining an initial guarding position on an opponent with the ball. Once legal position is obtained, the guard can move to maintain position in the dribbler’s path. The requirement of having two feet on the court does not apply in maintaining a legal guarding position, provided the guard maintains in-bound status. (4-23)

4.23.3 SITUATION B: A1 is dribbling near the sideline when B1 obtains legal guarding position. B1 stays in the path of A1 but in doing so has (a) one foot
touching the sideline or (b) one foot in the air over the out-of-bounds area when A1 contacts B1 in the torso. RULING: In (a), B1 is called for a blocking foul because a player may not be out of bounds and obtain or maintain legal guarding position. In (b), A1 is called for a player-control foul because B2 had obtained and maintained legal guarding position. (4-23-2; 4-23-3a)

Now, if B1 is not "placed at a disadvantage" or is "unaffected by the contact" and A is just forced out of bounds by his momentum or the contact "he created" can/should I just signal out of bounds and give it to B?

Thanks.

Nevadaref Thu Mar 19, 2009 06:20am

Use the following to make your decision.
 
4-7-2
b. If a guard has obtained a legal guarding position, the player with the ball
must get his/her head and shoulders past the torso of the defensive player.

If contact occurs on the torso of the defensive player, the dribbler is
responsible for the contact.
c. There must be reasonable space between two defensive players or a
defensive player and a boundary line to allow the dribbler to continue in
his/her path.
If there is less than 3 feet of space, the dribbler has the greater
responsibility for the contact.


10-6

ART. 7 . . . A dribbler shall neither charge into nor contact an opponent in
his/her path nor attempt to dribble between two opponents or between an
opponent and a boundary, unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable
chance for him/ her to go through without contact.
ART. 8 . . . When a dribbler, without contact, sufficiently passes an opponent
to have head and shoulders in advance of that opponent, the greater
responsibility for subsequent contact is on the opponent.

ART. 9 . . . When a dribbler in his/her progress is moving in a straight-line path,
he/she may not be crowded out of that path, but if an opponent is able to legally obtain a defensive position in that path, the dribbler must avoid contact by
changing direction or ending his/her dribble.

grunewar Thu Mar 19, 2009 07:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 589546)
ART. 9 . . . When a dribbler in his/her progress is moving in a straight-line path, he/she may not be crowded out of that path, but if an opponent is able to legally obtain a defensive position in that path, the dribbler must avoid contact by changing direction or ending his/her dribble.

This is the part I usually use to explain it to a coach if/when they have a question - no foul, out of bounds, going "thata way."
Usually not a popular decision due to the contact and awkwardness of A1 going out of bounds. But the right call IMO.
Thanks Nevada


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