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BEAREF Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:50am
why is it when "we" officials work a great game
 
this topic is from a forum in minnesota....some of the comments are, in my opinion, just plain stupid...but make for entertaining reading. I'm interested to see if any of you have opinions about them.

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fullor30 Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:16am
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Originally Posted by BEAREF (Post 589316)
this topic is from a forum in minnesota....some of the comments are, in my opinion, just plain stupid...but make for entertaining reading. I'm interested to see if any of you have opinions about them.

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just another ref Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:35am
There is a reference in the thread about officials having a bias against private schools. From my perspective, it is more like private schools have a bias against officials.

bas2456 Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:23pm
I'll tell you what, if an official is officiating for glory and recognition, he's in the wrong business, plain and simple.

Of course it's nice to hear compliments, and they come every once in awhile, and usually from the winning team. Sometimes they catch me so off guard, I can't even muster a "thank you".

They say that you know a game is well-officiated when you seemingly don't even notice the refs are there. The game has a certain rhythm to it, and the refs are part of that rhythm. If the rhythm is disrupted, that's when people start complaining about the officiating.

I know when I've called a good game, and that's all I need. I could care less what the players think.

I take pride in getting better as an official.

zm1283 Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:00pm
I'm working a few days of the home school national tournament like SWMOzebra posted last week. I did three 16U boys games on Tuesday. After all three games, players from both teams came up to us and shook our hands, thanked us for working their game, etc. Coaches were really good, fans really good for the most part. Not all experiences are bad.

LDUB Thu Mar 19, 2009 04:35pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589506)
They say that you know a game is well-officiated when you seemingly don't even notice the refs are there. The game has a certain rhythm to it, and the refs are part of that rhythm. If the rhythm is disrupted, that's when people start complaining about the officiating.
Anyone who says any of those things really doesn't have a clue about officiating.

bas2456 Thu Mar 19, 2009 09:48pm
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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 589677)
Anyone who says any of those things really doesn't have a clue about officiating.
I don't have a clue? Are you kidding me?

JRutledge Thu Mar 19, 2009 09:52pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589746)
I don't have a clue? Are you kidding me?
Yes, if you actually believe those original comments. ;)

Peace

bas2456 Thu Mar 19, 2009 09:57pm
The game of basketball has a rhythm unlike any other game. Baseball is slow, football is too choppy, but basketball has rhythm and flow. What's so wrong about my comments

LDUB Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:01pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589746)
I don't have a clue? Are you kidding me?
Well when you said "they say" I thought you meant "they" and not "I"....but I guess if you actually believe that then you really don't understand officiating.


"They say that you know a game is well-officiated when you seemingly don't even notice the refs are there."

That is just wrong. Many times the officials must take actions which will make them be noticed. That thought is just a myth spread by fanboys.

"The game has a certain rhythm to it, and the refs are part of that rhythm. If the rhythm is disrupted, that's when people start complaining about the officiating."

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589750)
The game of basketball has a rhythm unlike any other game. Baseball is slow, football is too choppy, but basketball has rhythm and flow. What's so wrong about my comments

I'm not even sure what the rhythm of a game even means. But I think you are talking about officials sounding their whistles many times and stopping play. Some games have lots of fouls and/or violations; in order for the game to be officiated properly the officials will have to break the rhythm many times.

Stop worrying about noticing officials. Many times they will have to do things which will make them be noticed. Stop worrying about rhythm of the game. If there is a foul then call it. If there is a violation then call it.

bas2456 Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 589752)
Well when you said "they say" I thought you meant "they" and not "I"....but I guess if you actually believe that then you really don't understand officiating.


"They say that you know a game is well-officiated when you seemingly don't even notice the refs are there."

That is just wrong. Many times the officials must take actions which will make them be noticed. That thought is just a myth spread by fanboys.

"The game has a certain rhythm to it, and the refs are part of that rhythm. If the rhythm is disrupted, that's when people start complaining about the officiating."




I'm not even sure what the rhythm of a game even means. But I think you are talking about officials sounding their whistles many times and stopping play. Some games have lots of fouls and/or violations; in order for the game to be officiated properly the officials will have to break the rhythm many times.

Stop worrying about noticing officials. Many times they will have to do things which will make them be noticed. Stop worrying about rhythm of the game. If there is a foul then call it. If there is a violation then call it.
OK so the wording of this "myth" is a bit wrong. Did you not read the part where I said the refs are a part of the rhythm? Foul/violation is called, and the ball is put back in play.

The fact of the matter is, if the refs do a good job, then the game will have a much better flow and rhythm.

JRutledge Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589750)
The game of basketball has a rhythm unlike any other game. Baseball is slow, football is too choppy, but basketball has rhythm and flow. What's so wrong about my comments
Basketball might have a flow. There is nothing that says there must be flow. There is nothing says that we are solely responsible for that flow. If you have to call 100 fouls because the teams are doing illegal things, then you have to call a 100 fouls. Good officials recognize when they need to stay out of the way and when they need to get involved a lot.

BTW, Football can constantly move if you have the right teams running the ball and keeping the ball in bounds. Baseball can go very fast if everyone is swinging a pitches or the pitcher is throwing strikes. There are no absolutes in sports and this is why your comments do not show knowledge whom ever they come from. ;)

Peace

JRutledge Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589754)
The fact of the matter is, if the refs do a good job, then the game will have a much better flow and rhythm.
The officials that called a foul at the end of a game in Ohio (in the thread where the school wanted an apology), had his name in the paper and had the schools asking for an apology, all for what looks like on video the proper call. If that call had been made in the middle of the game no one would have said a word. The fact that the call took place with seconds in a close game meant he will likely forever be remembered. That official did not ask for that moment, he had to step up to the challenge and call what was proper.

Peace

bas2456 Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:22pm
BTW, Football can constantly move if you have the right teams running the ball and keeping the ball in bounds. Baseball can go very fast if everyone is swinging a pitches or the pitcher is throwing strikes. There are no absolutes in sports and this is why your comments do not show knowledge whom ever they come from. ;)

Peace[/QUOTE]

If, if, if, if. Look I'm not saying you're wrong, what I'm arguing is that basketball is a more definite flow.

There's always exceptions to every rule.

We're getting away from the original point of the article though. Officials shouldn't be looking for glory.

JRutledge Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589760)
We're getting away from the original point of the article though. Officials shouldn't be looking for glory.
This is a very telling statement on your part. I do not recall that anyone mentioned or suggested that you had to look for glory to be noticed. And that is why I said people that make that statement really do not understand officiating. And I gave an example where an official was simply doing his job and he was noticed for what was seen by some as a negative thing. And it did not appear that he needed or asked to be glorified for making the right call.

Peace

bas2456 Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:48pm
Did you read the linked thread in the OP? The link was to a thread on a different forum about getting told we do a good job after a game. That is not why I got into officiating, I don't know about you.

JRutledge Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:57pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589768)
Did you read the linked thread in the OP? The link was to a thread on a different forum about getting told we do a good job after a game. That is not why I got into officiating, I don't know about you.
I do not know what your comments here have to do with the overall statement you made earlier. I did not question why you got into officiating, I simply said that if you believe what you stated, you do not know a lot about officiating and neither do the people that repeat that statement.

Peace

bas2456 Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:09pm
I don't know what statement you are referring to...

JRutledge Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:24pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589775)
I don't know what statement you are referring to...
Here is what I am referring to.

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589506)
They say that you know a game is well-officiated when you seemingly don't even notice the refs are there. The game has a certain rhythm to it, and the refs are part of that rhythm. If the rhythm is disrupted, that's when people start complaining about the officiating.
Then you defended those words by saying this.

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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589750)
The game of basketball has a rhythm unlike any other game. Baseball is slow, football is too choppy, but basketball has rhythm and flow. What's so wrong about my comments
;)

Peace

bas2456 Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:27pm
Im confused...did I contradict myself?

JRutledge Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589784)
Im confused...did I contradict myself?
Who said you contradicted yourself. It seemed to me you made a statement that I disagreed with, and then you supported those words by justifying what you said with other words. Remember, you asked a question about what I thought and I answered it. There is nothing saying that we have to agree. I just feel your comment has no merit.

Peace

bas2456 Fri Mar 20, 2009 01:23am
I got ya now...just the way you were reposting everything I said made me think I contradicted myself without realizing it

JRutledge Fri Mar 20, 2009 03:23am
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Originally Posted by bas2456 (Post 589799)
I got ya now...just the way you were reposting everything I said made me think I contradicted myself without realizing it
You can take this anyway you want to, but I am not sure how you got anyone. I just disagree with your flawed point of view.

And if you do not realize it now, you will realize it in the future either through personal experience or observing someone that you will see someone (might be you) put into a situation you did not expect to be in and it will have nothing to do with wanting that "glory" as you put it.

What happened to that Ohio official that we have been talking about for the past few days is the very example I am getting at. His name was in the paper all for doing his job and the school put him into a situation that he would not have been in if they just accepted the outcome and not find excuses for their team's failure. And now this guy will forever be known as the official that “should have apologized” for his call.

Peace

zm1283 Fri Mar 20, 2009 09:12am
I'm not sure why anyone has a desire for "glory" in officiating. There is no glory in it to begin with. Everyone hates you at some point, it just depends on when it is. I don't officiate anything for attention or glory. I do it because I like it and I enjoy the sports I'm calling. The money isn't bad either.

bas2456 Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:47am
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 589803)
You can take this anyway you want to, but I am not sure how you got anyone. I just disagree with your flawed point of view.

And if you do not realize it now, you will realize it in the future either through personal experience or observing someone that you will see someone (might be you) put into a situation you did not expect to be in and it will have nothing to do with wanting that "glory" as you put it.

What happened to that Ohio official that we have been talking about for the past few days is the very example I am getting at. His name was in the paper all for doing his job and the school put him into a situation that he would not have been in if they just accepted the outcome and not find excuses for their team's failure. And now this guy will forever be known as the official that “should have apologized” for his call.

Peace
I think you misunderstood my post. By saying "I got ya now", I meant I understand you now. Not "Ha I have you trapped".

I have no problem with you disagreeing with my post, everyone has their opinions, which is why I like message boards.

What I don't understand is where you are going with that example of the ref in Ohio.


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