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fullor30 Mon Mar 09, 2009 03:59pm

last second shot
 
I'm terrible at pulling up old threads, searching in archives.............

There was a thread a year or two ago on a last second shot from past half court that decided a state championship(?) with video link. I searched youtube with no luck.

The officials were skewered for call and all I can recall after watching tape 20 times was I still couldn't make up my mind if good or not.

Anybody remember it? It may have been Southeast somewhere.

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:06pm

This was in South Carolina last year. I am sure you can find the tape somewhere; there were about 3 different angles. Even ESPN covered the story of the team that eventually won, because they were honoring a fallen fireman that was once their coach but he died in fire before the basketball season.

BTW, the ESPN Story did not show a conclusive angle (because they were there covering the team).

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:31pm

Is this it? http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...nds-video.html

YouTube: YouTube - OHSSE Incredible Basketball State Championship Finish

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:35pm

Or this: YouTube - Buzzer Beater..Not! Summerville vs Spartanburg

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 586704)

No, I do not think that is the situation he is talking about. This took place in South Carolina and we spent about 3 different threads on that topic.

I do not think many people care that much about girl's basketball either. ;)

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 586706)
No, I do not think that is the situation he is talking about. This took place in South Carolina and we spent about 3 different threads on that topic.

I do not think many people care that much about girl's basketball either. ;)

Peace

I'll keep looking then. As for girls basketball, I care, if it means that I do a state final!

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:45pm

YouTube - IHSAA 1990: Basketball Champions Bedford North Lawrence

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:46pm

Here it is: http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...make-call.html

Newspaper: Summerville beats Spartanburg for 4A boys state title

YouTube: YouTube - The greatest game-winning shot to never count

There's even a post from Dan! And JR!

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:47pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 586709)
I'll keep looking then. As for girls basketball, I care, if it means that I do a state final!

I would rather not work a single playoff game, let alone a state final if that was the only goal. And when I hear officials that have been honored work a state final qualify it by saying "It is in girl's basketball" that is all I need to know. But then again that is just me. ;)

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:52pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 586714)
I would rather not work a single playoff game, let alone a state final if that was the only goal. And when I hear officials that have been honored work a state final qualify it by saying "It is in girl's basketball" that is all I need to know. But then again that is just me. ;)

Peace

We're not all as good as you are! ;)

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:00pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 586716)
We're not all as good as you are! ;)

It is not about being good it is about choices. And where I live we are allowed to not accept assignments from certain levels, including the different levels of boy's and girl's basketball (4 different levels--each gender has 1A-2A and 3A/4A). And most officials that work the post season on the boy's side do not accept girl's assignments. I am glad I have choices. Good has nothing to do with it.

Peace

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:07pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 586718)
It is not about being good it is about choices. And where I live we are allowed to not accept assignments from certain levels, including the different levels of boy's and girl's basketball (4 different levels--each gender has 1A-2A and 3A/4A). And most officials that work the post season on the boy's side do not accept girl's assignments. I am glad I have choices. Good has nothing to do with it.

Peace

Nevermind.

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:27pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 586721)
Nevermind.

Sorry you do not have choices. :)

Peace

zm1283 Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:34pm

FWIW, I think that shot counted in the South Carolina game. I'm 99% sure I heard the horn go off while you could see the ball in the air.

fullor30 Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:48pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 586705)


That's it! Sending to a few folks for their opinion.

Thanks Juggles..........

fullor30 Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 586718)
It is not about being good it is about choices. And where I live we are allowed to not accept assignments from certain levels, including the different levels of boy's and girl's basketball (4 different levels--each gender has 1A-2A and 3A/4A). And most officials that work the post season on the boy's side do not accept girl's assignments. I am glad I have choices. Good has nothing to do with it.

Peace


Plenty of guys do both up my way JR, in fact two just did girls finals this weekend.

You're correct though about it being a choice.

ChrisSportsFan Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:55pm

How about this one from 3 weeks ago... I was in the C

Video On Demand | KMOV.com | St. Louis, MO

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 06:05pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 586739)
Plenty of guys do both up my way JR, in fact two just did girls finals this weekend.

You're correct though about it being a choice.

I did not say there were not plenty of guys that worked both. I can tell you that by far most officials I worked with this year, most do not work girl's basketball. And even a smaller percentage worked post season. I worked with more officials that worked college ball this year than worked any girl's basketball.

Peace

fullor30 Mon Mar 09, 2009 07:31pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 586721)
Nevermind.


;)

fullor30 Mon Mar 09, 2009 07:34pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 586742)
I did not say there were not plenty of guys that worked both. I can tell you that by far most officials I worked with this year, most do not work girl's basketball. And even a smaller percentage worked post season. I worked with more officials that worked college ball this year than worked any girl's basketball.

Peace

I can only aspire to reach such heights.

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 08:04pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 586765)
I can only aspire to reach such heights.

Once again, it is not about aspiration, it is about choice. Most officials that work boy's basketball that I know, have no desire to work girl's basketball. Those that live in other parts of Illinois, only work girls (their words not mine) for the money. And I have two really close officiating friends that are working their first Super-Sectional this year and they refuse to work anything but boy's basketball. And they live well over 200 miles from the area I do and live in West Central Illinois.

I really do not know why this is such a controversial thing to say, when people off this site talk about this all the time?

Peace

just another ref Mon Mar 09, 2009 09:27pm

This is not controversial.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 586780)
Most officials that work boy's basketball that I know, have no desire to work girl's basketball.
I really do not know why this is such a controversial thing to say.....


This is controversial.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think many people care that much about girl's basketball either.

Is it possible that you don't realize that when you make a point of posting:

"Nobody cares about X."

X, whoever that may be, no matter how many or how few, is/are likely to find that offensive?

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:18pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 586805)
This is not controversial.




This is controversial.



Is it possible that you don't realize that when you make a point of posting:

"Nobody cares about X."

X, whoever that may be, no matter how many or how few, is/are likely to find that offensive?

First of all it was a joke. Secondly I did not say "Nobody." Obviously somebody cares they work it. And if people cared as much, then attendance would not be abysmal in our state on the girl's side lately. But that is a discussion for another day. I also never said that only the best of the best worked it. I said that I had a choice, where a lot of places do not seem to have the choice. If officials in our state choose not to work one side or the other, they have that choice. This is a hobby, not job mandate the last time I checked.

This discussion is no different than talking about working any level like "wreak ball" or JH ball or AAU or any other kind of basketball that makes your skin crawl.

What I told my students in my class, when you leave your house and you are going to leave your job and your family, you better enjoy what you are doing or stop doing it.

Peace

LDUB Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:49pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 586805)
This is controversial.

I would say that it is a fact. The majority of people do not pay much attention to women's athletics. I see lower level conference D-I games on TV more often than I see big time women's conference games. Nothing against people who enjoy women's games, but as a whole our society does not enjoy them very much.

Funny story (I'm sure some of you won't think so...) well I was watching the NCAAW videos on eofficials and the topic for one of them was basket interference. I thought the video was going to say something like "you're working a women's game, don't worry about BI, no one can jump that high...":D

JRutledge Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:59pm

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Originally Posted by LDUB (Post 586836)
I would say that it is a fact. The majority of people do not pay much attention to women's athletics. I see lower level conference D-I games on TV more often than I see big time women's conference games. Nothing against people who enjoy women's games, but as a whole our society does not enjoy them very much.

I think it needs to be said, this is not about women's sports as a whole. My point was only about girl's basketball. Girl's basketball plays at the same time as Boy's basketball. That inherently has an either/or quality to this discussion. I can tell you that a similar discussion comes up when discussing softball or baseball. No one seems to find that discussion offensive. The Softball/Baseball debate is usually about time it takes to play the games. And in many cases we are playing side by side the softball field and who gets finished is often a topic of discussion.

It just goes to show that people will be offended by anything.

Peace


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