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Scrapper1 Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:35am

How many miles? (Car version)
 
Somebody started a thread about how many miles you run during a game. Here's a different question. How many miles do you drive during the season? I just added mine up from '08 (tax purposes, obviously) and I totaled 6,180 miles for basketball and volleyball.

I'm curious how that compares to people who have to drive much longer to their high school games.

FBullock Mon Mar 09, 2009 11:37am

Betwen Football & Basketball, rules and association meeting, etc., I average around 22,000 per year.

bigdogrunnin Mon Mar 09, 2009 12:53pm

7,738 miles driven (not including meetings (x 8-10), and 148 games. I am ready for a break.

Raymond Mon Mar 09, 2009 01:28pm

I can't answer b/c what I write here won't match what I put on my 1040 :eek:

grunewar Mon Mar 09, 2009 01:30pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 586627)
I can't answer b/c what I write here won't match what I put on my 1040 :eek:

C'mon, who here would tell? :rolleyes:

PS - I am one of the fortunate one's with close-in schools and games - last yr 130 games ~ 1400 miles.

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 09, 2009 01:43pm

I have no idea. My limo driver, Bambi, keeps track of all that mundane stuff.

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Ref Ump Welsch Mon Mar 09, 2009 02:23pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 586627)
I can't answer b/c what I write here won't match what I put on my 1040 :eek:

:cool: *whistling* :cool: That's me filing out my 1040 every year. :D I have three sports, so I rack up some serious mileage: football, basketball, and slow-pitch softball.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Mar 09, 2009 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 586632)
I have no idea. My limo driver, Bambi, keeps track of all that mundane stuff.

Padgett, some day, ALL of us are coming your way to travel around with your driver. Oh yeah, we wouldn't mind working a game or two with you. :D

mick Mon Mar 09, 2009 02:32pm

44 mile 'mean' average per game.

mbyron Mon Mar 09, 2009 03:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 586632)
I have no idea. My limo driver, Bambi, keeps track of all that mundane stuff.

http://images.buycostumes.com/mgen/m...iser/31961.jpg

I thought Bambi was your masseuse. Get your story straight, Padgett.

M&M Guy Mon Mar 09, 2009 03:43pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 586673)
I thought Bambi was your masseuse. Get your story straight, Padgett.

As long as his story is the only thing that's straight... :eek:

My basketball mileage has averaged about 6,500 to 7,000 miles the last couple of years. I'm glad gas is about half what it was last fall.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Mar 09, 2009 03:48pm

Who cares what Bambi is to Padgett! At least he's sharing a peek at her with all of us! :D

JugglingReferee Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:13pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 586673)
I thought Bambi was your masseuse. Get your story straight, Padgett.

Nowadays, a girl needs two skillz. :p

DonInKansas Mon Mar 09, 2009 04:57pm

My games are 70-150 miles per round trip not counting the few I do locally. BB and BSB.

BillyMac Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:05pm

Verbs has to agree with their subjects.
 
1230 miles. I live in a small state, Connecticut, and our local board only covers about 20% of the state, which contains seventy different high schools. And, by the way, if anyone from the IRS asks, I never go directly from work to a game. I always stop home first to feed the cat, and to get my bag with my uniform ($5.00 per week laundry allowance) and equipment. There are about four schools within a stone's throw of the laboratory where I work, but, dang, I have to go home to feed the cat. She gets upset with me if I don't feed her her dinner on time.

Ref Ump Welsch Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 586719)
1230 miles. I live in a small state, Connecticut, and our local board only covers about 20% of the state, which contains seventy different high schools. And, by the way, if anyone from the IRS asks, I never go directly from work to a game. I always stop home first to feed the cat, and to get my bag with my uniform ($5.00 per week laundry allowance) and equipment. There are about four schools within a stone's throw of the laboratory where I work, but, dang, I have to go home to feed the cat. She gets upset with me if I don't feed her her dinner on time.

Wow, did you adopt the cat from the movie "Mousehunt"? :eek:

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 09, 2009 05:33pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 586673)
I thought Bambi was your masseuse. Get your story straight, Padgett.

She's both. Plus, sometimes she's also my nurse. How do you think I get my meds? ;)

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Ref Ump Welsch Mon Mar 09, 2009 06:05pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 586730)
She's both. Plus, sometimes she's also my nurse. How do you think I get my meds? ;)

http://www.stickergiant.com/Merchant...c0574_450.jpeg

:eek: Wow wow wow :eek:

GoodwillRef Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:25pm

With 93 games (High School and College) I logged almost 15,000 miles this basktball season...2008-2009! I may have not driven all of them but I was in a vehicle for all of them.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 10, 2009 02:30pm

Had only about 2100 for a 35 game schedule that was billed. But another 1300 or so that goes on the Schedule C.

fullor30 Tue Mar 10, 2009 02:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 586719)
1230 miles. I live in a small state, Connecticut, and our local board only covers about 20% of the state, which contains seventy different high schools. And, by the way, if anyone from the IRS asks, I never go directly from work to a game. I always stop home first to feed the cat, and to get my bag with my uniform ($5.00 per week laundry allowance) and equipment. There are about four schools within a stone's throw of the laboratory where I work, but, dang, I have to go home to feed the cat. She gets upset with me if I don't feed her her dinner on time.


"Verbs has to agree with their subjects."



I'm no English major, but as long as you're in a teaching mode, wouldn't that be

Verbs HAVE to agree with their subjects.

SAK Tue Mar 10, 2009 04:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 586719)
1230 miles. I live in a small state, Connecticut, and our local board only covers about 20% of the state, which contains seventy different high schools. And, by the way, if anyone from the IRS asks, I never go directly from work to a game. I always stop home first to feed the cat, and to get my bag with my uniform ($5.00 per week laundry allowance) and equipment. There are about four schools within a stone's throw of the laboratory where I work, but, dang, I have to go home to feed the cat. She gets upset with me if I don't feed her her dinner on time.

For some reason I thought that if you stop home you cannot not that mileage. Only if you are going from one job to another can you count the mileage. Is that true. BTW, I don't deduct my mileage. Maybe that is something I should think about doing.

And whats the deal with the allowance for the laundry??

Welpe Tue Mar 10, 2009 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by SAK (Post 587125)
For some reason I thought that if you stop home you cannot not that mileage. Only if you are going from one job to another can you count the mileage. Is that true.

My tax person has me claim all mileage to and from home. She has said that since officiating is self employment, all related mileage can be claimed. This is one reason why I have somebody prepare my taxes, I'd rather have her judgment to fall back on in an audit rather than my own.

Quote:

BTW, I don't deduct my mileage. Maybe that is something I should think about doing.
Absolutely! Claiming mileage can greatly reduce your tax liability, and depending upon the amount of travel, camps and other related expenses, could result in you actually claiming a loss.

Again, I highly recommend seeing a tax professional.

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And whats the deal with the allowance for the laundry??
It is a related expense.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 10, 2009 04:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 587125)
For some reason I thought that if you stop home you cannot not that mileage. Only if you are going from one job to another can you count the mileage. Is that true. BTW, I don't deduct my mileage. Maybe that is something I should think about doing.

And whats the deal with the allowance for the laundry??

Some have advocated drycleaning your uniform once & saving the receipt. You could consider that expense times the number of games worked as the deduction according to those advocates.

BillyMac Tue Mar 10, 2009 05:11pm

Never use a big word when a diminutive one would suffice.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 587125)
For some reason I thought that if you stop home you cannot not that mileage. Only if you are going from one job to another can you count the mileage. Is that true. I don't deduct my mileage. Maybe that is something I should think about doing. And whats the deal with the allowance for the laundry??

I have actually heard the opposite. I've heard that you cannot count mileage from your day job to your game sites, something about "commuting" mileage. That's why, even if the school is only a few miles away from work, I always "go home to feed the cat (if you get my drift)". It's real easy to figure out my mileage. My one way mileage from home is on the Arbiter, so I just double it. In any case my accountant asks for, and uses, my round trip mileage, from home, for games, meetings, and clinics. He also allows me to declare $5.00 per week for my expenses to home launder my uniform. I'll double check with him on Sunday. It's visiting day at the prison. That reminds me. I have to buy a file and bake a cake before April 15.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 10, 2009 05:18pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 587153)
I have actually heard the opposite. I've heard that you cannot count mileage from your day job to your game sites, something about "commuting" mileage. That's why, even if the school is only a few miles away from work, I always "go home to feed the cat (if you get my drift)". In any case my accountant asks for, and uses, my round trip mileage, from home, for games, meetings, and clinics. He also allows me to declare $5.00 per week for my expenses to home launder my uniform. I'll double check with him on Sunday. It's visiting day at the prison. That reminds me. I have to buy a file and bake a cake before April 15.


So, you're filing TWICE?:eek:

SAK Tue Mar 10, 2009 07:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 587153)
I have actually heard the opposite. I've heard that you cannot count mileage from your day job to your game sites, something about "commuting" mileage. That's why, even if the school is only a few miles away from work, I always "go home to feed the cat (if you get my drift)". It's real easy to figure out my mileage. My one way mileage from home is on the Arbiter, so I just double it. In any case my accountant asks for, and uses, my round trip mileage, from home, for games, meetings, and clinics. He also allows me to declare $5.00 per week for my expenses to home launder my uniform. I'll double check with him on Sunday. It's visiting day at the prison. That reminds me. I have to buy a file and bake a cake before April 15.

I would like to know. I have a tax professional, I will have to check with him about deducting mileage.

Thanks.

BillyMac Tue Mar 10, 2009 08:35pm

Constipated Mathematicians Work It Out With A Pencil ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 587212)
I would like to know. I have a tax professional, I will have to check with him about deducting mileage.

I bet that you don't have to go through a complete body cavity search to meet with your accountant. I'm getting tired explaining why I have a file in my ... never mind.

mick Tue Mar 10, 2009 08:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 587212)
I would like to know. I have a tax professional, I will have to check with him about deducting mileage.

Thanks.

IRS allows a mileage allowance. Last year the allowance for the first part of the year was different from the allowance the last half of the year.

You multiply the allowance x the miles, and that becomes an expense to be used against your total income, which may include money that you were paid for gas.

A carpenter.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Mar 11, 2009 07:51am

I worked at an agency where I was given a couple of choices as to my employement status in regards to how I wanted my benefits and reimbursements handled (and this choice came after I had been working there for about 9 months and they were giving everyone the screwover on changing their salaries to hourly wages). Being an employee meant full benefits at no cost, and my mileage being reimbursed only from the office to the client's home or meeting place. Any time I wanted to go from home to the client's home/meeting place, it would not be reimbursed because it was "commuting" miles. However, if I had decided to work as an independent contractor with this agency, I would get benefits only to have to pay for them (with no wage offset to make up for it) and ALL my mileage would be reimbursed regardless of where I started from. Of course, I stayed on as an employee, but how much easier it would have been to become an independent contractor there. But the mileage thing stuck in my head, and when it comes to officiating miles, I knew what I could claim.

SAK Wed Mar 11, 2009 09:19am

that does make a lot of sense.

Welpe Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:26am

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 587227)
IRS allows a mileage allowance. Last year the allowance for the first part of the year was different from the allowance the last half of the year.

I just finished working on my 2008 officiating earnings and expenses. In 2008, the mileage rate before July 1 is $0.505 / mile. July 1 and beyond it is $0.585 / mile.

As you can see with the mileage of some of these folks, that works out to a pretty sizeable deduction.

26 Year Gap Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:08pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 587345)
I just finished working on my 2008 officiating earnings and expenses. In 2008, the mileage rate before July 1 is $0.505 / mile. July 1 and beyond it is $0.585 / mile.

As you can see with the mileage of some of these folks, that works out to a pretty sizeable deduction.

In my case, I was in the black for the first time in 6 years. The schools in VT re-imburse 40.5 cents per mile, but I did not want to open Pandora's Box by trying to get the remainder, so I only used miles to meetings or game sites where there was no re-imbursement such as AAU or a handful of JV games that I did.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 587345)
I just finished working on my 2008 officiating earnings and expenses. In 2008, the mileage rate before July 1 is $0.505 / mile. July 1 and beyond it is $0.585 / mile.

As you can see with the mileage of some of these folks, that works out to a pretty sizeable deduction.

Thanks for that info...now I can separate the miles on my spreadsheet and save me time when entering that onto my tax prep software.

mbyron Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:15pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 587345)
As you can see with the mileage of some of these folks, that works out to a pretty sizeable deduction.

My deduction was a tad over $2,600 on nearly 5000 miles.

bob jenkins Thu Mar 12, 2009 08:34am

About 8300 miles for 240 games (baseball and basketball combined; all HS or college; fewer than 30 "summer league" games)

SAK Thu Mar 12, 2009 08:36am

Do you get to deduct round trip miles or just one way miles.

mick Thu Mar 12, 2009 08:57am

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Originally Posted by SAK (Post 587592)
Do you get to deduct round trip miles or just one way miles.

Round trip.

bob jenkins Thu Mar 12, 2009 09:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 587592)
Do you get to deduct round trip miles or just one way miles.

That depends. Do you go back home after the game, or just stay at the game site until it's time to leave for the next game?

JugglingReferee Thu Mar 12, 2009 09:31am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 587599)
That depends. Do you go back home after the game, or just stay at the game site until it's time to leave for the next game?

HAHA! This is the post of the month!

Camron Rust Fri Mar 13, 2009 08:52pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 587355)
In my case, I was in the black for the first time in 6 years. The schools in VT re-imburse 40.5 cents per mile, but I did not want to open Pandora's Box by trying to get the remainder, so I only used miles to meetings or game sites where there was no re-imbursement such as AAU or a handful of JV games that I did.

Why? You should be counting the mileage reimbursement as income and then taking the full deduction for the miles driven regarless of how much either is. Even if they cancel out to $0.00, they should be documented to avoid the audit bug.

Ref Ump Welsch Sat Mar 14, 2009 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 588208)
Why? You should be counting the mileage reimbursement as income and then taking the full deduction for the miles driven regarless of how much either is. Even if they cancel out to $0.00, they should be documented to avoid the audit bug.

And sometimes, the mileage reimbursement doesn't even come close to what you can deduct, so the difference would be a deduction. For example, our football crew each chips in $5 or $10 (depending on distance) to the driver. That's $20 or $40 each time. He figures up the mileage and claims whatever wasn't reimbursed by the crew as mileage for him to deduct. We don't get mileage to any of our games around here, sigh. Maybe someday.

26 Year Gap Sat Mar 14, 2009 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 588208)
Why? You should be counting the mileage reimbursement as income and then taking the full deduction for the miles driven regarless of how much either is. Even if they cancel out to $0.00, they should be documented to avoid the audit bug.

Good idea. I will do that next year. And if I have to amend, it will be to our advantage.

mbyron Sat Mar 14, 2009 06:44pm

I keep waiting for the next "version" of this thread. :)


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