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Mark Padgett Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:43pm

Maybe these should be the NF rule changes for next year?
 
Why didn't I think of this before? In order to eliminate (or greatly reduce) the incorrect rules comments from coaches, let's just change the rules so they now reflect all the wrong interpretations from those coaches. i.e.:

A defender reaching in front of a dribbler without making contact is now a reaching foul.

Any player reaching over the back of another player without making contact is now an over the back foul.

A three seconds in the lane violation will be called regardless of whether or not the team has lost team control, such as on a shot.

A player gaining control of the ball while on the floor and having their momentum of doing so cause them to slide will be called a traveling.

A defender on a throw-in must stay three feet back from the line regardless of how much space the inbounder has behind him.

An over and back violation will be called any time it just "looks like it" except when the defensive team tips the ball in the frontcourt prior to the offensive team tipping the ball in the frontcourt before the ball goes into the backcourt. In that case, no violation.

Officials will now "call it both ways" and there will be an equal number of fouls called on each team every quarter.

Any others you guys would like to add?

dsqrddgd909 Wed Mar 04, 2009 01:07pm

The following are not rhetorical questions.

Why do coaches/players/fans/broadcasters have such poor knowledge of the rules?
Would it help the game overall if non-officials understood the rules better?
How would one go about doing that?
Who should be responsible?

(either tilting at windmills or lighting candles in darkness)

AKOFL Wed Mar 04, 2009 01:08pm

Whenever a coach uses proper terminology such as, He displaced my player, we should award them by calling said displacment.
There should also be a new "get him off" rule. Not sure of the application yet.
Then the "You are killing me" rule. When uttered, the nearest official should oblige.:p

chartrusepengui Wed Mar 04, 2009 01:22pm

How about - any time an AC is NOT off the bench with the HC complaining about something - it is a technical foul :D

WreckRef Wed Mar 04, 2009 01:23pm

The defender will also required to be "set" when taking a charge.

When the player says, "I didn't mean to," after fouling a player, the foul will no longer be charged to said player.

When a coach, player or spectator asks, "Are you watching the same game," officials will now be allowed to go to the officials room, turn on the TV and watch a different game.

Defenders are now allowed to assault the ball handler because they, "touched the ball first."

grunewar Wed Mar 04, 2009 01:23pm

I can do this!
 
Assistant Coaches shall be allowed to speak on behalf of the head coach and stand/walk in the Coaches Box. Anything said by an Assistant Coach shall be listened to intently by officials.

Officials shall pay more attention to Coaches. Anytime a Coach makes a statement or asks a question, an official shall stop the game and listen to what the Coach has to say.

TV monitors and replay shall be used at every game down to 6th grade Rec Level. Any call, regardless of its importance, shall be reviewed by officials if a Coach challenges the call. There is no limit to the number of challenges a Coach/team may have per game.

Jump balls will be used to begin every quarter (for Billy Mac).

A New OW Rule (Oregon/Washington Only) - Any game that ends with one team ahead by two or fewer points at the end of regulation will be declared a tie and will have a mandatory Overtime period (for Mark).

Just a few thoughts. :p

jeschmit Wed Mar 04, 2009 01:25pm

I would like to see the "You're joking right?" rule applied. If a coach decided to implement this rule, the official in question should stop play and tell the coach his best joke. This should happen, or the official will call a technical foul on him/herself. Said technical will then seat belt the official at the division line, and they must call the rest of the game from there.

This rule also applies to the "You're kidding me?" rule, or some adaptation to the verbage.

Adam Wed Mar 04, 2009 01:27pm

Of course, the "You're making that up" rule is different.

Mark Padgett Wed Mar 04, 2009 02:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 585392)
A New OW Rule (Oregon/Washington Only) - Any game that ends with one team ahead by two or fewer points at the end of regulation will be declared a tie and will have a mandatory Overtime period (for Mark).

Dead man walking.

JugglingReferee Wed Mar 04, 2009 02:04pm

"Call it at both ends" induces a foul by the equivalent player on the other team.

just another ref Wed Mar 04, 2009 02:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WreckRef (Post 585391)

Defenders are now allowed to assault the ball handler because they, "touched the ball first."


Or almost, even. "HE WAS GOING FOR THE BALL!"

Adam Wed Mar 04, 2009 02:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 585392)
A New OW Rule (Oregon/Washington Only) - Any game that ends with one team ahead by two or fewer points at the end of regulation will be declared a tie and will have a mandatory Overtime period (for Mark).

I think this should be extended to FL and MN.

grunewar Wed Mar 04, 2009 02:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 585413)
Dead man walking.

Hey, you started it! ;)

OHBBREF Wed Mar 04, 2009 02:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 585378)
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Then the "You are killing me" rule. When uttered, the nearest official should oblige.:p

I'll vote for this one!!:rolleyes:

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Mar 04, 2009 03:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 585378)
Then the "You are killing me" rule. When uttered, the nearest official should oblige.:p

Mechanics: Nearest official grabs the microphone, and polls the fans on method of execution they desire to see! :p

TrojanHorse Wed Mar 04, 2009 03:41pm

I think the fans should be more involved. Hand out random whistles to people in the stands and allow them to blow the whistle as they see fit.

WreckRef Wed Mar 04, 2009 03:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 585451)
Mechanics: Nearest official grabs the microphone, and polls the fans on method of execution they desire to see! :p

I officiate games with a former county Sheriff who used to come straight from work with his firearm with him. Anytime there was a problem with fan/players, I always walked out with him. :D

Juulie Downs Wed Mar 04, 2009 05:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 585427)
I'll vote for this one!!:rolleyes:

Oh, dear, the inner Quaker is shocked, shocked I tell you! But the inner referee is thrilled. "Yes", she shouts, "YES!!"

Juulie Downs Wed Mar 04, 2009 05:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 585456)
I think the fans should be more involved. Hand out random whistles to people in the stands and allow them to blow the whistle as they see fit.

I like that one too! Also the one about stopping the game, and telling the favorite joke. That would be fun!

Mark Padgett Wed Mar 04, 2009 05:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 585482)
I like that one too! Also the one about stopping the game, and telling the favorite joke. That would be fun!

But Juulie, I've been doing it for years. You know that. :)

grunewar Wed Mar 04, 2009 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 585487)
But Juulie, I've been doing it for years. You know that. :)

Hmm, maybe that's why the players and coaches never let your games go into OT - no one wants to hear any more of your jokes? Could be! :p

Juulie Downs Wed Mar 04, 2009 05:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 585487)
But Juulie, I've been doing it for years. You know that. :)

I know YOU do that, but I want it to be ME that gets to tell one next time.

VTOfficial Wed Mar 04, 2009 06:30pm

Let's not forget "He can box out, can't he?"
 
As long as a player is "boxing out" their opponent, they are allowed to push the opponent anywhere across the floor.

An extra point is awarded if they get their opponent beyond the division line before the rebound is secured!!

BillyMac Wed Mar 04, 2009 06:34pm

And I Don't Even Live On Elm Street ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 585392)
Jump balls will be used to begin every quarter (for Billy Mac).

Thanks grunewar. Now I'm sure to have a nightmare tonight.

Mark Padgett Wed Mar 04, 2009 06:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 585489)
I know YOU do that, but I want it to be ME that gets to tell one next time.

You could tell the one I told you that one game. :D

Jmuvol Wed Mar 04, 2009 08:23pm

And One
 
We came up with this one at a Regional Intramural Tournament...If a player is fouled in the act of shooting, the player or teammates proclaim "and one" during the shot and it does not go in...the fouled player will only shoot one free throw because that's all his team was asking for...one shot.:eek:

williebfree Wed Mar 04, 2009 08:27pm

Every time
 
"That's a travel!", "Traveling", et al. are chirped from the bench, one of the team members needs to pack their bags and leave the visual confines of the gym.

"Over The Back" is chirped, a team player is required to give an opposing player a piggyback ride for 30 seconds. Each repeat offense would add a 30 second increment.

AKOFL Wed Mar 04, 2009 08:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmuvol (Post 585513)
We came up with this one at a Regional Intramural Tournament...If a player is fouled in the act of shooting, the player or teammates proclaim "and one" during the shot and it does not go in...the fouled player will only shoot one free throw because that's all his team was asking for...one shot.:eek:

I like it, but then the kids will start shouting and 2, and 3, and so on. Where will it end.:rolleyes:

26 Year Gap Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:25pm

How come nobody has suggested the written exam to be taken at halftime by any fan, coach or player who has questioned a call? Grades would be announced over the PA system as test takers stand at halfcourt to be acknowledged before the 2nd half begins. If there is time, signs can be handed out for test takers to wear that states the grade achieved on the test. For those getting above 50%, a red lanyard will be awarded.

Oops. Wrong thread.

TrojanHorse Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:40pm

If I pass the test, do I get to have a whistle too????

grunewar Thu Mar 05, 2009 06:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 585551)
If I pass the test, do I get to have a whistle too????

Sure, c'mon down. All are welcome! Your on your own with the shirt though! :rolleyes:

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Mar 05, 2009 08:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by williebfree (Post 585514)
"Over The Back" is chirped, a team player is required to give an opposing player a piggyback ride for 30 seconds. Each repeat offense would add a 30 second increment.

And the official nearest the benches get to pick the biggest behemoth of a kid to ride the back of the smallest pipsqueak of a kid. I like this already! :D

26 Year Gap Thu Mar 05, 2009 08:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 585551)
If I pass the test, do I get to have a whistle too????

I guess so. Do you want a brass one with a pea?

Adam Thu Mar 05, 2009 09:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 585551)
If I pass the test, do I get to have a whistle too????

Nope, coaches are given a PITA exemption.

TrojanHorse Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:06am

Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 585611)
I guess so. Do you want a brass one with a pea?

I got my fox 40 and a shirt ready to go..used to officiate. I am ready to go

26 Year Gap Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 585649)
I got my fox 40 and a shirt ready to go..used to officiate. I am ready to go

I guess a biscuit is out of the question then.

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 09, 2009 06:59pm

This one is mandatory
 
OK - here's one that should be adopted at the NF, NCAA-M, NCAA-W and all rec levels. It's the most important rule change yet.

Following the game, the home team must provide a pizza and salad buffet free of charge to the officials. Coaches, players and spectators are not allowed in the room, and neither are official's wives. Following the buffet, Bambi will give free massages to all the officials. Tips are optional.

Ref Ump Welsch Tue Mar 10, 2009 07:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 586758)
OK - here's one that should be adopted at the NF, NCAA-M, NCAA-W and all rec levels. It's the most important rule change yet.

Following the game, the home team must provide a pizza and salad buffet free of charge to the officials. Coaches, players and spectators are not allowed in the room, and neither are official's wives. Following the buffet, Bambi will give free massages to all the officials. Tips are optional.

I like your logic Padgett! :D

BillyMac Tue Mar 10, 2009 04:35pm

Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 586758)
Here's one that should be adopted at the NF, NCAA-M, NCAA-W and all rec levels. It's the most important rule change yet. Following the game, the home team must provide a pizza and salad buffet free of charge to the officials.

You forgot adult beverages. We actually get an ice cold can of beer after games at one of the private schools that our local board services. Really. I'm dead serious. I swear.

WreckRef Tue Mar 10, 2009 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 587131)
You forgot adult beverages. We actually get an ice cold can of beer after games at one of the private schools that our local board services. Really. I'm dead serious. I swear.

I've worked men's league games at a club where after the games they roll out a keg onto the floor.

26 Year Gap Tue Mar 10, 2009 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by WreckRef (Post 587146)
I've worked men's league games at a club where after the games they roll out a keg onto the floor.

Did they start with polka songs on the PA system?

BillyMac Tue Mar 10, 2009 05:29pm

Puns are for children, not groan readers.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap (Post 587151)
Did they start with polka songs on the PA system?

"Roll out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun
Roll out the barrel, we've got the blues on the run
Zing boom tararrel, ring out a song of good cheer
Now's the time to roll the barrel, for the gang's all here"


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