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ref4life Sat Feb 28, 2009 02:42am

Craziest ending of a game ever?
 
Long process hear but read it all its crazy, saw this game the other night in a district final to make it to state. Team A is up 1 at the line shooting a 1 and 1 with 15 seconds left. Misses the front end Team B comes down throws up a three and drills it with 6.5 left. Team A calls timeout sets up a play, they come down throw up a 30 footer and airball it with .1 seconds left. Team B's bench players storm the court along with their crowd. Refs get together and discuss the situation. Decide that Team B is issued with a Technical Foul and Team A gets two free throws, the Technical was for the bench of Team B coming onto the court. Team A makes both free throws to tie the game and take it into overtime and end up winning. Pretty crappy way to lose your last game. Thoughts on ruling?

JugglingReferee Sat Feb 28, 2009 03:12am

Assuming the airball with 00:00:00.1s left was because the ball went out of bounds and the clock was stopped?

mutantducky Sat Feb 28, 2009 04:10am

I've seen the exact situation before where they didn't call a Tech. But...I've seen it called before as well. Personally, I don't think a T should have been called especially with that little left on the clock.

Juulie Downs Sat Feb 28, 2009 04:49am

No way we can tell whether the call was a good one. At what point in the "airball" was the .1 second? Definitely a HTBT.

That being said, it seems like a pretty inexperienced coach to let the kids storm the floor before the buzzer. If it was fans first, no T should have been issued.

ref4life Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:59am

Yes the ball hit the endline with .1 seconds left.

Adam Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:50pm

Did time expire and the refs put .1 back on the clock? Or did the timer actually stop the clock with .1 left? To me, that's the biggest difference between a T and no-T here.

ref4life Sat Feb 28, 2009 01:02pm

The timer did stop the clock with .1 on the clock, the refs put no time back on the clock.

Adam Sat Feb 28, 2009 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by ref4life (Post 584093)
The timer did stop the clock with .1 on the clock, the refs put no time back on the clock.

A tough call, but I don't think the T was out of line. With no horn to trigger them, the players don't have much of an excuse here.

bisonpitcher Sun Mar 01, 2009 01:15am

Here is the end of the Class 2A girls state championship game last year here in Oklahoma. 8 pts in the last seven tenths of a second. Craziest finish I have ever seen.

YouTube - Most exciting finish ever in state tournament championship

A Pennsylvania Coach Sun Mar 01, 2009 09:19am

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Originally Posted by bisonpitcher (Post 584207)
Here is the end of the Class 2A girls state championship game last year here in Oklahoma. 8 pts in the last seven tenths of a second. Craziest finish I have ever seen.

YouTube - Most exciting finish ever in state tournament championship

Wow, just watched and googled up a few articles. Seems like the officials got everything correct. A necessary T there I believe, and as for the game-winner, clearly out of her hands in time.

Scrapper1 Sun Mar 01, 2009 09:40am

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Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach (Post 584222)
Wow, just watched and googled up a few articles. Seems like the officials got everything correct.

Except that a LOT of time ran off the clock after the whistle for the shooting foul. There was more than 2 seconds on the clock when the whistle sounded, and it didn't stop until it was at 0.7.

That assumes that the audio is synched correctly with the video in the clip, but it seems to be correct, based on the interview at the end.

Texas Aggie Sun Mar 01, 2009 01:38pm

Years ago when I started there was a "Comments on the rules" section at the end of the book. I recall one comment as saying something to the effect of "minor technical (meaning minuscule rather than technical as in technical foul) infractions that have no real effect on the game should be ignored." In the early '90s, they started incorporating the comments section into the actual rules and most everything made it somewhere in the rule set, but I can't find this phrase in there right now.

Anyway, I think that if its a dead ball, a player or even a few players coming out on the court isn't worthy of a T AS LONG AS the coaches work to get them off quickly and it has no effect on the game whatsoever. Just like when a coach is out of the box and I remind him to get back in, and he does, I've got nothing.

I wish I still had my old rule books. I'd like to find a library that has as many of the years as possible to chart certain rule changes.

justacoach Sun Mar 01, 2009 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 584281)

I wish I still had my old rule books. I'd like to find a library that has as many of the years as possible to chart certain rule changes.

Try to arrange an escorted visit to MTD, Sr.'s renowned attic!!!

BillyMac Sun Mar 01, 2009 02:06pm

Contestants have been briefed on some questions.
 
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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 584281)
I recall one comment as saying something to the effect of "minorinfractions that have no real effect on the game should be ignored."

Is it this:

THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE RULES
The restrictions which the rules place upon the players are intended to create a balance of play; to provide equal opportunity between the offense and the defense; to provide equal opportunity between the small player and tall player; to provide reasonable safety and protection; to create an atmosphere of sporting behavior and fair play; and to emphasize cleverness and skill without unduly limiting freedom of action of individual or team play on either offense or defense. Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should play be permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage not intended by a rule.

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Originally Posted by Texas Aggie (Post 584281)
I wish I still had my old rule books. I'd like to find a library that has as many of the years as possible to chart certain rule changes.

Me too. I used to throw my old rulebooks out each year, when I got a new one. I didn't start saving mine until 1996-97. I'm missing my first fifteen rulebooks. Anybody want to send me theirs? I'll pay the postage.

TrojanHorse Sun Mar 01, 2009 02:07pm

As a coach, official, or a fan of the game, I would hate to see a game end like this, but if there is no horn, kids should be on the bench. I as a coach might argue like hell they thought the game was over and blah blah blah...but I do not have any basis here for not having a T. It is unfortunate that a game has to end this way, but the kids need to know the rules as do the coaches.

On the other end, if i were a coach watching the other team on the floor with time on the clock, I will want to know were the T is if there isnt one. Rules are in place to call this, enough said.


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