"Wisconsin Refs" - 3 Person Question

[Rich]

Originally Posted by WIRef

Rock Valley will allow you to use 3-person crew, if approved by both AD's and Commissioner. It is a game-by-game choice. However, it is pay 2 for 3. Some guys don't mind making $37 instead of $55 per game, to get that 3-person experience.

To me, it's an odd thing. I want to work 3 100% of the time, but I want a full game check for a full game's work.

In a 40-game season (a few left), I worked about 15 3-person games and was paid a full check for all but 2 (I'll work 3-for-2 with certain people once in a while and over the holidays or early in the season).

I won't play "mother-may-I" with coaches/ADs, either -- when I find out they want all kind of approval to do it, then they'll just get the 2 officials they were contracted.

[Adam]

In my last association JV games would occasionally be assigned three officials, but it was a 3 for 2 deal.

Here, there is a slight reduction in fee for 3, but it is not nearly as bad as 3 for 2. JV is $41 for 2, $35.50 for 3.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

To me, it's an odd thing. I want to work 3 100% of the time, but I want a full game check for a full game's work.

In a 40-game season (a few left), I worked about 15 3-person games and was paid a full check for all but 2 (I'll work 3-for-2 with certain people once in a while and over the holidays or early in the season).

I won't play "mother-may-I" with coaches/ADs, either -- when I find out they want all kind of approval to do it, then they'll just get the 2 officials they were contracted.

I believe that the 3 officials for 2 pay (the officials choice) is good to a point to expose the teams and AD to the benefits of having three officials. At the same time we can promote and get in the AD's ear about their conference going to 3 person.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I believe that the 3 officials for 2 pay (the officials choice) is good to a point to expose the teams and AD to the benefits of having three officials. At the same time we can promote and get in the AD's ear about their conference going to 3 person.

No doubt. But I've said all along there should've been a plan for this, such as:

I'll take $40 a game for 2-3 seasons. It's my commitment to 3-person officiating. But there needs to be a commitment on the part of conferences and schools that the rates will go back to the $55 - $65 we're getting now within 2-3 seasons. Otherwise, what's the incentive to hiring 3 for the conferences? I know some are hiring 3 now and paying for 2 formally. Why would we want that to continue indefinitely into the future -- JV games pay more than $37.

It's not about the money first, but consideration and commitment is a two-way street.

Second round girls tonight with freezing rain due to start about 3PM. I gots a boys regular season game tomorrow and already have been told the playoff game will move to tomorrow if canceled today. Which to work, which to work....

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Second round girls tonight with freezing rain due to start about 3PM. I gots a boys regular season game tomorrow and already have been told the playoff game will move to tomorrow if canceled today. Which to work, which to work....

Me too, when I was coaching had a bad storm and tried to reschedule. Caught real flak from WIAA so it will be interesting to see what will happen tonight. I have a 60 mile drive one way and am in the area forcasted to be hit the heaviest. Tomorrow, I have VB game only 20 minutes from the house. Hmmmmmmmm? Guess I'll have to stay with tournament game and let guys not tournament eligible to get V experience at the other one.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

To me, it's an odd thing. I want to work 3 100% of the time, but I want a full game check for a full game's work.

In a 40-game season (a few left), I worked about 15 3-person games and was paid a full check for all but 2 (I'll work 3-for-2 with certain people once in a while and over the holidays or early in the season).

I won't play "mother-may-I" with coaches/ADs, either -- when I find out they want all kind of approval to do it, then they'll just get the 2 officials they were contracted.

Wonder if pay went up for table people or school admins who work games over past three years?


Around here, a middle school teacher can sit by gym entrance surfing Internet acting as 'security' while munching snacks for 60 bucks or so for two games.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Wonder if pay went up for table people or school admins who work games over past three years?


Around here, a middle school teacher can sit by gym entrance surfing Internet acting as 'security' while munching snacks for 60 bucks or so for two games.

And yet the schools only complain about the cost of a third official. It's OK if an "insider" gets paid, but some outsider who comes in to referee? Heh.

[onetime1]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Around here, a middle school teacher can sit by gym entrance surfing Internet acting as 'security' while munching snacks for 60 bucks or so for two games.

Could you just have this guy then put on a stripe shirt and maybe call a line or two out of bounds during the game to earn his money?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by onetime1

Could you just have this guy then put on a stripe shirt and maybe call a line or two out of bounds during the game to earn his money?

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