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Contact after the try
A1 drives on a fast break, he goes airborne. 2 defenders on his heels, they go airborne with him.
I'm the lead official, I don't see any contact. As the try fails, all 3 players crash to the floor. A1 hurts his arm, I'm guessing on the contact with the floor. There may have been contact on the crash to the floor. So my question is should I have Called a foul on the contact following the try. |
Was the shooter still airbo(u)rne when contact occurred?
Did the contact on the shooter contribute to his fall? As an aside, how do you know the try failed? (Were you ballwatching?) |
A1 was airborne, so a shooting foul committed against A1 can be called for contact resulting before A1 has their first foot back on the ground.
This play exhibits the necessity to continue to watch the players, and nothing else. It's similar to a field judge in football watching only the players' actions as the ball comes down, because he knows it will come down! (The apple discovery proves it! :p) After a player has released the ball, I allow more contact (not a lot more though) on the arm, because the arm usually isn't used to land. If I'm certain that A1 would have had to use his arm to land safely, and his arm is whacked out of position and A1 now lands awkwardly, I've got a foul. |
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your partners trail and center have the responsibility of play above the rim on this. Quote:
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JR nailed this with respect to following the shooter until they return to the floor for sure and possibly longer so that you know why you have three bodies on the floor. The other thing is you can not go around making up calls just because there are three bodies on the floor, if you don't know how they got there. you are going to take some grief on this situation most likely anyway, because people believe that when their are three bodies on the floor their had to be a foul. So get it right and know how they got there. |
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So I was right in not guessing. |
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Juggs: Are you sure you want to admit that you allow an airborne shooter to be fouled and not call the foul? MTD, Sr. |
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It would not be hard to justify a foul to the coach since all three players (1 Off and His 2 Def) are lying on the floor.
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Juggs: Are you telling me that if you go up to shoot the ball and I swipe at the ball and miss the ball but hit your shooting arm after you have released the shot, that I have not fouled you? MTD, Sr. |
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Did the contact put the shooter at a disadvantage? Or, did the contact put the defender at an unfair advantage? If not, then nope. I think his point was the same level of contact on a shooter's arm that would affect the shot while the ball is still in the shooter's hand could very well be considered incidental once the ball has left the hand. Many times, but not always. Does that answer your question? |
M&M has my answer pretty well said.
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Oops, sorry - didn't mean to jump in there for you. I thought you left. :)
Does that mean I get the part when they do your life story on one of them made-for-TV movies? :D |
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Actually, I did leave - had dinner. Since I missed out yesterday, I had pancakes today. |
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I think it is necessary to consider the action of the defender, prior to the contact, to determine if it is a foul. If the defender comes from a long way away, aggressively, with little concern about injuring the shooter (should contact be considerable) and flailing arms everywhere, I will call a foul when contact is made after the shot has been released. Even if the actual contact did not create a disadvantage on the shot (the actions of the defender could not be completed without contact.) As in the OP, if the two defenders chasing the shooter were bearing down with reckless abandon, causing the shooter to fear injury, I think any contact would likely be a foul. I am not sure if I am making my point, but I think there is more to this judgement than whether or not the actual contact created a disadvantage. |
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