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jeschmit Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:39pm

Foul Reporting Mechanics Question
 
I know I'm being extra critical on myself, but that's what we're all on this forum for! This has been something that I've tried to work on for a while. I'm wondering what all of you do in this sitch:

I have a foul on A14. I go up to report the foul and this is what I say:

"White. Four (as I hold up the 1) ... -teen (as I hold up the 4). (I make my push call) Two shots."

My question is to all of you: Do you try and make the "Fourteen" sound together or do you separate it like I seem to always do? I think it sounds confusing if I would be sitting at the table and seeing the ref say "four" and hold up only one finger (the index finger, I'm not giving the table the bird, haha).

Also, do some of you say, "Fourteen. One. Four" as you are reporting? I think this might be confusing to the table as well.

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:43pm

I think to say "fourteen" and try to get both the one and the four out on my fingers while saying"fourteen."

zm1283 Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:44pm

"White"

"One-Four" (With one finger, followed by four fingers)

"Push"

"2 shots"

JRutledge Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:49pm

I do not like the numbers with "teen" in them. I say each number separately and I have never had a problem with anyone understanding what I say with each number given separately.

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:56pm

I say fourteen, twelve, or thirty-five and signal the numbers with one hand. I don't make an effort to pause or artificially stress the two different syllables.

I know plenty of officials who say one-four, one-two, or three-five.

I just don't care for it as I don't believe that three-five is a number.

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:05pm

It is simply a case of personal preference...whatever works for you as long as you communicate clearly with the table.

bob jenkins Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:10pm

White. Hex E.

AKOFL Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:22pm

I'm redundant. fourteen white, one, four, white, push. two shots. I used to say " i have a foul on ", but I dropped that because that's why I'm there reporting in the first place, right.

JugglingReferee Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 582408)
White. Hex E.

G33k.

grunewar Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 582410)
I'm I used to say " i have a foul on ", but I dropped that because that's why I'm there reporting in the first place, right.

I used to say "I've got" - however, my butt was chewed several times by evaluators and I overcame that bad habit......imagine that!? ;)

FWIW - "Blue, one, four, hold. Two-shots."

Nevadaref Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 582410)
I'm redundant. fourteen white, one, four, white, push. two shots.

You should pick one or the other, but stop saying both.

rwest Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 582408)
White. Hex E.

16 Octal

Adam Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 582408)
White. Hex E.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 582411)
G33k.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwest (Post 582417)
16 Octal

There are 10 kinds of people in this world....

rwest Mon Feb 23, 2009 01:57pm

Is that....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 582419)
There are 10 kinds of people in this world....

2, 10 or 16? LOL!

zeedonk Mon Feb 23, 2009 02:13pm

Eye contact with scorer first

"White"

"One-Four"

mechanic only- no verbal- push

"2", but if its really loud, just 2 fingers.


Followed by, on occasion-

"Yes coach, he was shooting" or
"no coach, he didn't travel" or
"Yes coach, we'll call it on your end too- it's only 15 seconds into the game"

jdmara Mon Feb 23, 2009 02:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 582410)
I'm redundant. fourteen white, one, four, white, push. two shots. I used to say " i have a foul on ", but I dropped that because that's why I'm there reporting in the first place, right.

I do the same...

White Fourteen...One (signal 1)...Four (4)...(Push)

-Josh

GoodwillRef Mon Feb 23, 2009 03:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeedonk (Post 582425)
Eye contact with scorer first

"White"

"One-Four"

mechanic only- no verbal- push

"2", but if its really loud, just 2 fingers.


Followed by, on occasion-

"Yes coach, he was shooting" or
"no coach, he didn't travel" or
"Yes coach, we'll call it on your end too- it's only 15 seconds into the game"


I prefer to verbalize what the infraction is, you may use the push legal but the player undercut another player and I will verbalize "White 15, he undercut him."

zeedonk Mon Feb 23, 2009 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 582450)
I prefer to verbalize what the infraction is, you may use the push legal but the player undercut another player and I will verbalize "White 15, he undercut him."

Agreed. If it's out of the ordinary, I'll let 'em know what it is.
Z

Nevadaref Mon Feb 23, 2009 04:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 582450)
I prefer to verbalize what the infraction is, you may use the push legal but the player undercut another player and I will verbalize "White 15, he undercut him."

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeedonk (Post 582466)
Agreed. If it's out of the ordinary, I'll let 'em know what it is.
Z

Nope. I see no reason not to stick with the standard book signals and verbal, unless a coach or player asks a question after I've reported.

OHBBREF Mon Feb 23, 2009 05:10pm

two handed reporting
 
The fedand NCAA men limits you to one handed reporting so you need to be clear with what ever method you choose when you say the number,
In NCAAW we get to use two hand which I much prefer to get across 14 or 35 because you can show both digits as you say the number.

As far as the call out - it depends on who you talk to or are assigned or being evaluated by at the time - as to if you say one four or fourteen, the important thing that has been stressed is to speak clearly and slowly to leave no doubt as to what you say.
When you signal the foul use the prescribed signal - it is considered acceptable to describe something if it is odd, that might avert an issue with a coach.
Example.
white team
one - four (signal with one hand one and four or two hands with the one on the right hand the four on the left hand)
give the push signal,
S/he used a swim move to clear the defender

move on.

fullor30 Mon Feb 23, 2009 05:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 582450)
I prefer to verbalize what the infraction is, you may use the push legal but the player undercut another player and I will verbalize "White 15, he undercut him."

Describing the call? That's what Jay Bilas does...........IMHO, no need to justify your call, assume it's not going to be questioned.


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