Flagrant foul?

[refguy]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

Nevada..thanks for an excellent explanation of the difference between the two, and the proper application of each. Yes, I had read the rule and case book on the two...but "got intimidated by the terminolgy" when the exact same situation occured in the waning seconds of a BJV game I did the other night. I blew it by just calling a foul (mind went blank in a microsec) and knowing after that it should have been a T...but not sure if it should have been intentional or flagrant. Experienced P corrected me during post-game....but your explanation made it much clearer to me.
Lesson learned by this newbie...hopefully I'll react to the situation better the next time it should occur and apply the rule/penaltied the right way.
KJump

Must not be that experienced if he waited til then to bring it up. If my partner has information relative to a rule, he'd better bring it to me on the court or keep his mouth shut in the locker room.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by refguy

Must not be that experienced if he waited til then to bring it up. If my partner has information relative to a rule, he'd better bring it to me on the court or keep his mouth shut in the locker room.

I think this is a bit harsh; P may not have been sure what was called and when. I think it's fair to bring this up afterwards as a learning point.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I think this is a bit harsh; P may not have been sure what was called and when. I think it's fair to bring this up afterwards as a learning point.

Thanks Snags. Just to clearify my OP for Refguy....
P was an official who has been at it many, many more years than me (hence my refering to him as experienced). he was an IAABO patched official from a board in a border state, and by his own admission in our pre-game he's at that stage of winding his career down these past few seasons and just does lower level games and has not been as diligent at keeping current on rules/interps.
I always look forward to working with refs who have earned the patch, and try to listen and learn from them, and I always treat them with the respect that I feel they deserve having achieved something that I'm working hard to attain...board status. I learned early on from this Forum that as a newbie that when I work with or get observed by veteran officials to 1) ask good,pertinent questions of them that will help my game 2) LISTEN more than talk 3) OBSERVE 4) take the information that's correct and useful to me...work into my game and disregard the stuff that isn't.
Bottom line here is that at this point in my season I should have known the right rule application for the sitch....I did on paper but I choked on the court. That's not my P's fault. Who knows, maybe he wanted to see if the other HC was going to complain and wanted to see how I'd handle it on my own...and would have stepped in to help if he saw me about to "drown".
Anyway...I learned from it, which as I've also learned on this forum is the most importamt thing in developing as an official.