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Spence Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:50am

Thabeet/Blair Play
 
I saw a highlight of the Pitt/UConn game and was wondering what was called on a particular play.

Blair for Pitt got a rebound and had Thabeet's arm trapped between his arm and his body. He then bent over and as a result pulled Thabeet over his back and Thabeet hit the floor.

What was called? My first inclination was to assume a foul on Thabeet but then I got to wondering what he did to warrant a foul.

Anyone?

JRutledge Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:58am

If I recall nothing was called. They stopped the game because Thabeet was hurt.

Peace

dsturdy5 Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:01pm

They called an "over the back" foul on HT.

Spence Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsturdy5 (Post 580365)
They called an "over the back" foul on HT.

Was that the correct call? I guess I'm having trouble calling a foul when the player would not have been called for a foul had the opponent not clamped down on his arm and then caused him to go over the offensive player's back.

mbyron Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:14pm

I think dsturdy5 was joking.

Spence Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:36pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 580376)
I think dsturdy5 was joking.

Egg on my face.

ajs8207 Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:55pm

I think they did call a foul on the play, which the announcers called "over the back."

Shades of Gray Tue Feb 17, 2009 01:05pm

Thabeet/Blair Play
 
There was a foul called on Thabeet on the play, but Blair did not actually clamp down on his arm, by what I saw. The 2 players were more or less back to back, with both having a hand on the ball. When Blair went to control the ball, he is so strong, he just pulled Thabeet over his back and flipped him to the floor. I guess it could have been called a jump, but the refs called a foul on Thabeet, according to the announcers.

jeffpea Tue Feb 17, 2009 02:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 580373)
I guess I'm having trouble calling a foul when the player would not have been called for a foul had the opponent not clamped down on his arm and then caused him to go over the offensive player's back.

Thabeet would not have been flipped over Blair if Thabeet didn't reach his arm into Blair in an attempt to get the ball....foul on Thabeet - good call!

Adam Tue Feb 17, 2009 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by jeffpea (Post 580434)
Thabeet would not have been flipped over Blair if Thabeet didn't reach his arm into Blair in an attempt to get the ball....foul on Thabeet - good call!

What advantage was there? Did the action displace Blair in any way?

I have to admit I had a lot of questions about his fourth foul; but he was a non-factor all game, even when he was in.

PSidbury Tue Feb 17, 2009 03:02pm

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Originally Posted by Spence (Post 580373)
had the opponent not clamped down on his arm and then caused him to go over the offensive player's back.

Just saw the replay again on ESPN, and it sure does look like Blair continued to pull Thabeet over his shoulder by leveraging-down on his (Thabeet's) wrist.
Blair initially had both hands on ball when Thabeet had stuck his hand in there.
But then as Blair leaned/crouched forward, his (Blair's) right hand comes off the ball and he arm-pulls Thabeet over his back.

The replay really makes Blair's tug look intentional.

Granted, lead-official was screened from this by Thabeet and center-official was already headed down court (eyes probably on mid-court group of transition players).

But, hey... I'm just some high school official who happened to be lying on the couch eating Doritos when he saw the replay...:D

Paul

grunewar Tue Feb 17, 2009 03:10pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 580437)
I have to admit I had a lot of questions about his fourth foul

Yeah, what was with that fourth foul? I kept my eye on those two for much of the game and watched them wrestle around, battle for position, and push and shove, etc. Thought foul number four was a bit ticky-tacky compared to some of the other contact they had......JMO


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