Originally Posted by JPaco54 (Post 579148)

I am trying to be more consistent and accurate on my 10 count and 5 count. I practiced the other night using a timer, as some of you have suggested, as well as timed myself against the clock in a few rec games this week. My arm swing is slow compared to actual time, by an average of 2 seconds. So, the 10 second count turns into 12 seconds and the five second turns into 6-7 seconds. I also monitored refs the other night in a BV HS game and they seem to be off by about 2-3 seconds as well. My five count is off 1-2 seconds. If I correct my timing to be more accurate, I believe I will be faster than my partners' and create inconsistency during the game. Any suggestions or comments on proper count mechanics. Thanks!

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 579176)

Hey, it worked for Lawrence Welk........

"Much of the show's appeal was Welk himself. His unusual accent appealed to the audience. (On one 1955 show, he mentioned Danny Thomas's series, "Mek Room fur Deddy.") While Welk's English was passable, he never did grasp the English "idiom" completely, and was thus famous for his "Welk-isms," such as "George, I want to see you when you have a minute, right now," and "Now for my accordion solo, Myron, will you join me?" . Another famous "Welk-ism" was his trademark count-off, "A one and a two..." which was immortalized on his California automobile license plate that read "A1ANA2".

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 579175)

jesus -- just be as close to 10 as humanly possible.

Originally Posted by Drizzle (Post 579173)

But it's a FULL 10 seconds. If you start at 5:46 and end at 5:36, it might be a tad quick if the actual time was 5:46.1 and 5:36.9!

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 579192)

I can't resist and I apologize for addressing this. :p

If you start a count when the clock reads 5:46 and you call a violation when the clock reads 5:36, you will have allowed between :10.0 and :10.9

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 579237)

5:46 could be:

• as little as 5:46.0 (S1)
• as much as 5:46.9 (S2)

5:36 could be:

• as little as 5:36.0 (E1)
• as much as 5:36.9 (E2)

S1 - E1 = 10 seconds, right on the money
S1 - E2 = 9.1 seconds

S2 - E1 = 10.9 seconds
S2 - E2 = 10 seconds, right on the money

Average: 10 seconds. :D

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 579242)

I think 5:46.0 could be as much as 5:46.0 and as little as 5:45.1; and 5:36 could be as much as 5:36.0 and as little as 5:35.1 :)

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 579262)

It depends on the clock / system.

Most, in my experience, are of the type JugglingRef described and NOT of the type you describe.

Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 579265)

So when the game starts with 8:00 on the clock, after 1/10th of a second it goes to 7:59? Actually, I don't have any idea how they work and was only speculating. The math is the same either way.

Originally Posted by JPaco54 (Post 579195)

Thank you all for your input. I will continue to work on my count. Appreciate the humor as well. I will date myself here, but we used to watch Lawerence Welk as a kid, Saturday nights, on our one Zenith Black & White rotary channel TV and then we had to watch Mitch Miller, Jackie Gleason and Red Skelton.