made basket at wrong end
 

Doing some girls and middle school games so they things happen. Say a player makes a basket at the wrong end. Does the same team take out after the basket and can they run the line?
Also, does the clock keep running in this situation if there isn't a foul. I'm thinking the table might get confused or something and not count the basket.

A player (A1) throwing the ball through their opponent's basket does in fact award two points (and only ever 2 points) to the opposite team. The individual credited for the two points is of no significance to the officials. A would then take the ball OB for a throw-in, with full endline privileges. The clock keeps going.

If you can get everyone on the same page with no hiccups, then go for it.

Since everyone is likely confused, it's good practice to stop the game, verbalize what happened and how we're continuing.

Edit: In Fed, the object is to score on your own basket. In FIBA, the reverse is true.

This very thing happened to me last night in a HS varsity game, and it was a regional championship game, no less!

Early 3rd quarter, B has a throw-in in their front court, A1 makes a good steal, gets turned around, sees she has a clear path to the basket, and makes the layup. In B's basket. Of course, the crowd starts going nuts: "Whoa?...ahhh...yea!...huh?..." I happen to be in front of the table, so I blow it dead, tell the table to award the basket to B, and my partner gives it to A for the endline throw-in.

But the table ended up asking me a question that I didn't know the answer - who gets credit for the points in the scorebook? Obviously A1 doesn't get credit, but is it the nearest player for B? Or is it just credited to "the team"?

A ended up winning by 9, so it didn't affect the outcome, but I imagine her teammates will be giving her a hard time about it for a while. This was one of the few games where we could really say the game wasn't as close as the final score indicated...

It is just credited to the team and no player. Yea I seen the back of you head on TV last night. LOL

We had a good one. Ridgeview won by 6 or so but it was an up and down game the whole way.

Then you saw my best part... :D

Good to hear you had an exciting one as well. Where are you going next week?

STM Sec on Monday, have BCC and Bismarck. Then Tues and Thurs Normal for 4A regional.

Week after that Lincoln Tues and thurs for 3A Sectional. Then I will be done.

If there is a foul, especially in the act of "shooting", the play is immediately blown dead and the basket does not count. If the foul occurs after the ball goes through the basket, the points count. The only way the "shooter" would go thier line would be if they were in the bonus, or it was an intentional or flagrant foul.

It has to be a try or tap at the teams own basket for the ball to remain live after getting fouled.

Congrats on the Sectionals!

If you see the STM coach, ask him if he's taught his players the proper basket to shoot at. ;) :D

This happened to me for the first time a couple weeks ago. B1 rebounded a missed free throw and promptly put it back up. Wrong basket and, amazingly, uncontested.:p B2 grabbed the ball and inbounded with no hesitation and we were off and running again.

you know what you could do, but make sure the timer and refs know about it so they don't stop the clock. Because you don't want there to be confusion about the play. But at the end of the game make a basket on purpose. say the team is up by 3+ with under 10 seconds to go. Clock keeps running after the basket and time might run out.
kind of like taking a safety in football. risky strategy though.

Oh, and throwing the ball at the opponents backboard also constitutes a dribble, so if the player that "shot" at the wrong basket had already dribbled, they can't get their own "rebound" without there being a double dribble, I think.

In your case, if the player was airborne when they threw the ball against the opponents backboard, it would be a travel. (pivot foot violation.) If they were in contact with the floor when they threw the ball against the opponents backboard, it would be double dribble (starting a second dribble.)

I'm definitely not arguing your point but is there a rule citation that says a basketball made at the wrong basket could not be worth three points? I can't seem to find one.

-Josh

5-2-1 requires that a player be located behind his/her teams own 19'9" arc to be awarded 3 pts. That can't exist at your opponents basket.

Your post made me alter the mistake I made in my original response. However, your statement, although correct, is incomplete.

A person scoring on their opponent's basket (which is the wrong basket) was likely behind their own 3-point line. However, a 3-point basket can only be scored on a try for goal. Since shooting at the wrong basket is not a try (by definition), there can not be a valid 3-pointer when shot at the wrong basket.

Not completely accurate either. It can be a tap/try or throw as long as it is made in your teams basket. 5-2-1

It used to have to be a try, which caused confusion on alley-oop passes that went in the basket. The officials had to judge whether it was a try or a pass. The rule change took that judgment away.

I know JugRef and Snaq know this rule inside and out and we are all in agreement. It is not possible make a basket at your opponents goal and be awarded 3 points.

Are you saying that I missed the case of a tap for 3 points in your own basket?

NO, I was including a throw. 5.2.1 sit C

No books with me at present; can you enlighten me?

5.2.1(C) A1 throws the ball from behind the three-point line. The ball is legally touched by; (c) A2 who is in the three point area;

Ruling: (c) score three points since the legal touch by a teammate occurred behind the three-point line.

A2's touching does not end the try, so I fail to see how your point makes mine inaccurate.

A1 didn't attempt a try, A1 threw the ball. Iow, A1 was perhaps passing to A2 who wasn't looking, the ball bounces off A2's head and goes through the basket. It is still worth 3 points, even though there wasn't a try.

I thought there was some rule that if a shot goes off someones head it doesent count? If on accident yes, but on purpose don't count the basket?

Well, if it's on purpose, it's pretty much going to be a T, I'd think. That would make the ball dead.

steve nash could do it. Maybe a shot for the Horse/Geico competition during All-Star weekend

If you can find that rule, let me know.

Otherwise, use your head and just apply the rules. :)

I wasn't trying to make your point inaccurate, I was just trying to add a throw (not a tap or try) to your point.

Footnote: M&M gives a description of what I meant. :D

Hey, Snaqs, that's how you do it! :D

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"STFU" Dan_ref 2008

Too funny! :D

Inquiring Minds Want To Know ???
 

Does this have something to do with the metric system? And while were on international rules, why is it in soccer, called football in the metric system, the clock counts up, while in every other team sport, that I know of, the clock counts down?

Is The Official Correct ???
 

Ball hits A-1 in the head and deflects toward A-1's basket. Horn sounds to end the period before the ball enters A-1's basket. Official disallows the goal.

I have never ever had this play!

Yes.

Was not a try for goal - therefore no basket. It is a goal in the case without the horn sounding because a live ball went through the basket.

The horn makes the ball dead unless it's a try/tap for goal, in which case the quarter is extended until it is certain that the ball will not go in.

That's my ruling.

Camron can best answer that! :D

Let's Move On To The Bonus Round ...
 

Good answer. Now let's change it up a little. Middle of the period, so no horn is involved.

Passed ball hits A-1 in the head and deflects toward A-1's basket. The ball is on the ring when it is touched by B-1. Official calls basket interference, and awards the goal. Is the official correct?

For extra credit:

Passed ball hits A-1 in the head and deflects toward A-1's basket. The ball is on it's downward flight, above the level of the basket, outside the cylinder, has a good chance of going in, and the ball is touched by B-1. Official calls goaltending, and awards the goal. Is the official correct?

He's What You Call An Expert ...
 

Mark Padgett: Does the clock count up, or does it count down, in croquet?

Yes.

No.

You mean basket interference? Then, yes, he is correct.

No. To be goaltending, it must be a try.

New Rule, Players Can't Ever Touch The Basketball, Never Ever ...
 

Fixed it. Thanks just another ref. I don't know how that snuck in there.