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bas2456 Thu Feb 12, 2009 06:54pm

Acceptable?
 
I've seen this done a couple times, and I was wondering if it was legal.

Team A has a throw in coming. Administering official is pointing to the designated spot, but nobody is coming to throw the ball in. Eventually the official will put the ball down and start counting to five. That usually gets someone there to inbound the ball.

Is this an acceptable practice?

JRutledge Thu Feb 12, 2009 06:59pm

It is a rule called the Resumption-of-Play Procedure under Rule 4-38.

Peace

Amesman Thu Feb 12, 2009 07:02pm

See also 7.5.1 Situation C

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 12, 2009 07:18pm

It's acceptable as long as the violation doesn't result in a team not being able to score to break a tie in the final seconds of regulation. ;)

refgatormaz Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:02pm

Resumption of play only applies after an intermission or the end of a time out and not just any old throw in.

CMHCoachNRef Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refgatormaz (Post 578867)
Resumption of play only applies after an intermission or the end of a time out and not just any old throw in.

Might want to check 4-38, again.

SECTION 38 RESUMPTION-OF-PLAY PROCEDURE
The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in
play when a throw-in team does not make a thrower available or following a timeout or intermission (unless either team is not on the court to start the second half) as in 7-5-1 and 8-1-2. The procedure results in a violation instead of a technical foul for initial delay in specific situations.

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Feb 13, 2009 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 578877)
Might want to check 4-38, again.

SECTION 38 RESUMPTION-OF-PLAY PROCEDURE
The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in
play when a throw-in team does not make a thrower available or following a timeout or intermission (unless either team is not on the court to start the second half) as in 7-5-1 and 8-1-2. The procedure results in a violation instead of a technical foul for initial delay in specific situations.

Yes, refgatormaz left out the intermission part, but he wanted to clarify that just any normal throw-in (i.e., resulting from a violation) does NOT use this resumption of play procedure.

BktBallRef Fri Feb 13, 2009 09:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 578952)
Yes, refgatormaz left out the intermission part, but he wanted to clarify that just any normal throw-in (i.e., resulting from a violation) does NOT use this resumption of play procedure.

And both you and him are incorrect.

2007-08 Rule Changes
4-38; 7-5-1 Clarified when the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect.

2-9-3
If the throw-in team does not make a player available, the official shall place the ball on the floor. The official shall hand or bounce the ball to the thrower for a throw-in unless the throw-in is from outside an end line following a successful goal.

4-38
The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in play when a throw-in team does not make a thrower available or following a timeout or intermission (unless either team is not on the court to start the second half) as in 7-5-1 and 8-1-2. The procedure results in a violation instead of a technical foul for initial delay in specific situations.


7.5.2 SITUATION A: Following a violation, the throw-in spot has been properly designated and the covering official has waited a reasonable amount of time for Team A to provide a thrower. What does the official do now?
RULING: The official shall place the ball on the floor at the spot and begin the five-second throw-in count. Team A thrower must release the ball on a throw-in or request time-out before the five-second count is reached. (2-9-3)

SmokeEater Fri Feb 13, 2009 09:34am

I guess that pretty much clears it up! ;)

fullor30 Fri Feb 13, 2009 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater (Post 578976)
I guess that pretty much clears it up! ;)

That's why most of us are here.;)

Adam Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 578877)
Might want to check 4-38, again.

SECTION 38 RESUMPTION-OF-PLAY PROCEDURE
The resumption-of-play procedure is used to prevent delay in putting the ball in
play when a throw-in team does not make a thrower available or following a timeout or intermission (unless either team is not on the court to start the second half) as in 7-5-1 and 8-1-2. The procedure results in a violation instead of a technical foul for initial delay in specific situations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 578952)
Yes, refgatormaz left out the intermission part, but he wanted to clarify that just any normal throw-in (i.e., resulting from a violation) does NOT use this resumption of play procedure.

The word "or" is key here. :D

Ref Ump Welsch Fri Feb 13, 2009 01:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 578955)
And both you and him are incorrect.

I was only clarifying what he was trying to say. I didn't say I agreed with him, so I'm not incorrect. I'm not being an ***, but there is a difference between clarifying something for someone with neutrality and quoting someone with incorrectness. Big difference in a classroom discussion, similar to this board discussion. :cool:

TravelinMan Fri Feb 13, 2009 02:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 579130)
I was only clarifying what he was trying to say. I didn't say I agreed with him, so I'm not incorrect. I'm not being an ***, but there is a difference between clarifying something for someone with neutrality and quoting someone with incorrectness. Big difference in a classroom discussion, similar to this board discussion. :cool:

Please let us know beforehand when you are clarifying what someone else is saying (this can annoy the "someone else" no end), so we can ignore what you have to say. :D

Nevadaref Fri Feb 13, 2009 07:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 578955)
And both you and him are incorrect.

2007-08 Rule Changes
4-38; 7-5-1 Clarified when the resumption-of-play procedure is in effect.

I see that someone learned something recently. ;)

http://www.nfhs.org/cgi-bin/ultimate...;f=11;t=002056


PS I believe that "you and he are" would be proper grammar.

mbyron Sat Feb 14, 2009 08:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 579006)
The word "or" is key here. :D

That's right. Did you notice that the second disjunct is otiose? Wouldn't it suffice to say "the throw-in team does not make a thrower available"?


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