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Rich Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:40am

HS protest after EIGHTEEN free throws given
 
http://www.sacbee.com/preps/story/1612519.html

Wow.

CMHCoachNRef Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:45am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 578541)

The article indicated that some recommendation was expected earlier in the week. No one has posted anything more, yet. We had a lengthy thread on this matter last week.

Rich Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:16pm

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Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef (Post 578544)
The article indicated that some recommendation was expected earlier in the week. No one has posted anything more, yet. We had a lengthy thread on this matter last week.

Where was I? Oh, nevermind.

IREFU2 Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:20pm

Thank god there is no protesting in our area!!!!

Chess Ref Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:26pm

It's like each conference has it's own protest rules and committees.

But I haven't heard anything yet. I looked in todays paper and nada.

doubleringer Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:45pm

I didn't get in on this week, but maybe instead of worrying about the protest, wins and loses, the coaches should be worried about the sportsmanship of their players?

ranjo Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:51pm

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Originally Posted by IREFU2 (Post 578564)
Thank god there is no protesting in our area!!!!

NFHS 5-4-2: The NFHS Rules Committee does not recognize protests.;)

Adam Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:54pm

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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 578598)
NFHS 5-4-2: The NFHS Rules Committee does not recognize protests.;)

Some states do, however (Missouri even allows in-game protests that could take 10 minutes.)

ranjo Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 578603)
Some states do, however (Missouri even allows in-game protests that could take 10 minutes.)

Thats interesting - How many other states allow protests of some kind?

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 12, 2009 01:07pm

What really shocked me was that the coach actually knew the rule on how many free throws should have been awarded. The odds of that happening makes me think the whole story was made up. Of course, it could be because this has happened many times before to his team and the penalty is just ingrained in him.

Nevadaref Fri Feb 13, 2009 04:42am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 578616)
What really shocked me was that the coach actually knew the rule on how many free throws should have been awarded. The odds of that happening makes me think the whole story was made up. Of course, it could be because this has happened many times before to his team and the penalty is just ingrained in him.

The coach didn't know the rule at the time. He had some help and learned later that the administration was incorrect. It's possible that the posts on this forum were a large source of his information.

Forksref Fri Feb 13, 2009 08:21am

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Originally Posted by ranjo (Post 578598)
NFHS 5-4-2: The NFHS Rules Committee does not recognize protests.;)

Thank the Lord that we follow the FED in our state!

CMHCoachNRef Fri Feb 13, 2009 01:09pm

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Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 578944)
Thank the Lord that we follow the FED in our state!

Think about this case. A team is ahead by 5 points with 12.3 seconds left. One of their players gets fouled intentionally. In addition, the opponent holds on to the player long enough to get charged with a technical foul. The opponent continues to pull and twists the player to the ground resulting in a second technical.

Due to the melee that follows THIS SPORTSMANSHIP (by the way, if you watch the whole tape, you will see the kids from both teams conducting themselves just fine), the team goes from being ahead by what should have been 10 points (the players made 5 of the first 6 FTs resulting from the intentional and two Technical fouls) 61-51 to LOSING 68 - 62 because of a GROSS misapplication of rules by the the official.

If such a case would happen in our State -- which also follows the NF rules on protests -- I would hope the OHSAA would step in without a protest being required to right this gross mistake.

representing Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:00pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 578603)
Some states do, however (Missouri even allows in-game protests that could take 10 minutes.)

How does that work? Is there an evaluator or something at every game? Do they have TV monitors?

Adam Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:03pm

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Originally Posted by representing (Post 647610)
How does that work? Is there an evaluator or something at every game? Do they have TV monitors?

I'm not there, so I don't know the details. My understanding, however, is that they must be rules based protests. IOW, not judgment calls but the coach has to protest what he considers a misapplication of the rule. He must provide the book, IMS.

Digging through past threads, I see. Good for you.

Nevadaref Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 647611)
Digging through past threads, I see. Good for you.

Nah, don't give him that much credit. He only found it because I posted a link to it in the current thread about the most bizarre happenings in HS sports during the past year.

Adam Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 647613)
Nah, don't give him that much credit. He only found it because I posted a link to it in the current thread about the most bizarre happenings in HS sports during the past year.

Yeah, I saw that after I posted this. Who'd have thought I'd need to read all the threads before posting on this one?

representing Fri Jan 01, 2010 12:17am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 647614)
Yeah, I saw that after I posted this. Who'd have thought I'd need to read all the threads before posting on this one?

haha Nevada is right.

zm1283 Fri Jan 01, 2010 04:02am

They handed out a sheet this year at the rules meetings in Missouri about protests. They are similar to baseball protests. I believe the coach has 10 minutes to produce proof that a rule has been misapplied. And yes, it must be about a rule, not about judgment calls.

refnrev Fri Jan 01, 2010 10:26am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 578603)
Some states do, however (Missouri even allows in-game protests that could take 10 minutes.)

I didn't know that MO did that!

budjones05 Fri Jan 01, 2010 11:31pm

Missouri does that to all sports. Only applies to rules, not judgement

BillyMac Sat Jan 02, 2010 09:20am

I've Got A Rulebook In My Pocket And I'm Not Afraid To Use It ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by budjones05 (Post 647805)
Missouri does that to all sports. Only applies to rules, not judgment

Of course. Isn't Missouri the "Show Me The Rule State"?

bob jenkins Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:15am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 647854)
Of course. Isn't Missouri the "Show Me The Rule State"?

No, it's not. But that's close.

Adam Sat Jan 02, 2010 11:48am

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 647637)
They handed out a sheet this year at the rules meetings in Missouri about protests. They are similar to baseball protests. I believe the coach has 10 minutes to produce proof that a rule has been misapplied. And yes, it must be about a rule, not about judgment calls.

Question: is there some sort of punishment for losing the appeal? IOW, if the rule book confirms the officials were correct, does the coach lose a TO or something?

icallfouls Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:09pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 647869)
Question: is there some sort of punishment for losing the appeal? IOW, if the rule book confirms the officials were correct, does the coach lose a TO or something?

The coach should be given the seat belt for the rest of the game. :D

Adam Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:13pm

I really should submit this one, too
 
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Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 647870)
The coach should be given the seat belt for the rest of the game. :D

And that would, under my proposed rule change, also come with the loss of his ability to request a TO.

icallfouls Sat Jan 02, 2010 12:26pm

Here's a couple more suggestions:

The HC is demoted to AC or better yet, CC (crowd control.)
The HC has to wear a dunce cap.


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