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Ref_in_Alberta Wed Feb 11, 2009 03:27pm

Game last night...
 
I haven't quite figured this one out yet but the HS league in our area is divided up into Division 1 (good programs) and Division 3 (not so good programs). I don't know why it's not 1 & 2 but that's besides the point...

Anyways, I had a Div. 3 V/JV Boy's double header (which is S.O.P. here) last night. Here's some of the high-lites from the V game...

- Step on the floor to observe the warm-ups and notice that both team benches are way too close to score table. So we had the GM more the benches to where they are supposed to be at the 28 foot mark.

- Visitor's wearing blue and V14 is wearing a white undershirt... ask the coach to have him remove it and get the debate... "but it's legal... our colors are blue, white & red... etc..." I explain that the color of the undershirt must be the same predominant color of the playing jersey... no problems V14 removes the undershirt and plays.

- 3 minutes into the 1Q, the home team is shooting the penalty.

- 3Q, my partner calls a travel on V4, who then turns around and wants an explaination and bumps him. I actually expected him to 'T' V4 but it never came. On the same dead ball V4 is sub'd out and as he is leaving the court V4 says "That's Bulls!&t..." So I ended up rewarding the coach with a bench 'T'.
Home team player goes 0 for 2 on the FT.

- 4Q, V4 back in the game commits a foul on a home player's drive to the basket, I've got the call from trail, turn to report and here comes the coach making the travel signal from his "team bench area" (technically FIBA doesn't have a 'coaches box') to the score table. I tell the coach it was not a travel and to return to his bench but he decides to keep at it with the travel signal and this time he steps on the floor. So I 'T' him up... Home team player goes 0 for 4 on the FT.

- Later in the 4Q, I am the trail in front of the visitors bench and I hear from the coach "Well... at least the 'T's didn't hurt me..."

It was a very physical ball game, we got to the penalty in all 4 quarters for both teams. Home team ended up winning by 2. Visiting coach even said Thanks and we did a good job.

JV game was not nearly as interesting or close...

Mark Padgett Wed Feb 11, 2009 03:44pm

Didn't go into OT? Sounds like a good game to me. :)

mick Wed Feb 11, 2009 03:46pm

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/al...smiley-002.gif
Sometmes they take us with 'em.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Feb 11, 2009 07:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta (Post 578212)
I haven't quite figured this one out yet but the HS league in our area is divided up into Division 1 (good programs) and Division 3 (not so good programs). I don't know why it's not 1 & 2 but that's besides the point...

The idiot who suggested this probably played college hockey in the NCAA here in the states, where there is no Division II for that sport, just Division I and III. That's why my favorite team plays Division I even though they are technically a Division II school.

BillyMac Wed Feb 11, 2009 09:41pm

I Just Know NFHS Rules, FIBA Rules Are Foreign to Me ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta (Post 578212)
Step on the floor to observe the warm-ups and notice that both team benches are way too close to score table. So we had the GM more the benches to where they are supposed to be at the 28 foot mark.

Says who? Citation please.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref_in_Alberta (Post 578212)
Visitor's wearing blue and V14 is wearing a white undershirt. No problems. V14 removes the undershirt and plays.

I hope that he didn't remove it within the visual confines of the playing court.

Ref_in_Alberta Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 578358)
Says who? Citation please.


FIBA 2008 Official Rules - Rule 2.2.5

2.2.5 Team bench areas
Team bench areas (Diagram 1) shall be marked outside the playing court, on the
same side as the scorer's table and the team benches.
Each area shall be limited by a line extending from the endline, at least two (2) m in
length and by another line at least two (2) m in length, drawn five (5) m from the
inside edge of the centre line and at right angles to the sideline.
There must be fourteen (14) seats available in the team bench area for the coaches,
the assistant coaches, the substitutes and the team followers. Any other people
shall be at least two (2) m behind the team bench.

5m is 16.4042 feet, the team benches were less then 5 feet from the score table...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 578358)
I hope that he didn't remove it within the visual confines of the playing court.

He went to the locker room...

mick Thu Feb 12, 2009 07:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 578358)
Says who? Citation please.


SECTION 13 TEAM BENCH LOCATIONS, COACHING BOX, BENCH AREA
ART. 1 . . .
The location of each team's bench shall be designated by game
management. It is recommended that the benches for team members and
coaches of both teams be placed along that side of the court on which the
scorer's and timer's table is located.

ART. 2 . . .
The coaching box shall be outlined outside the side of the court on
which the scorer's and timer's table and team benches are located. The area shall
be bounded by a line 28 feet from the end line, the sideline, a line no more than
14 feet from the 28-foot line toward the end line, and the team bench. These lines
shall be located off the court, be 2 inches wide.

NOTE:
State associations may alter the length and placement of the 14-foot (maximum)
coaching box.

ART. 3 . . .
The bench area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle
formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an
imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area

meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

BillyMac Fri Feb 13, 2009 09:27pm

I Did Not Know That, Until mick Told Me ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mick (Post 578447)
The bench area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

Thanks mick. I glad I got up this morning because they say that you learn something every day. They're right.

Adam Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 579302)
Thanks mick. I glad I got up this morning because they say that you learn something every day. They're right.

I didn't know this either. I can't tell you how many benches (and coaching boxes) I've seen that extend below the free throw line extended.

bob jenkins Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 579311)
I didn't know this either. I can't tell you how many benches (and coaching boxes) I've seen that extend below the free throw line extended.


Huh? Of course they can go below the free-throw line extended.

Read the description again.

Adam Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 579324)
Huh? Of course they can go below the free-throw line extended.

Read the description again.

I misread Article 3. Badly. Really badly.


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