Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 578085)

Congrats. You're not a maiden anymore. :)

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Originally Posted by eemich10 (Post 578080)

I'm a second year official, working with a strong first year. G JV game. Visiting coach lossing by about 18-20 in the 3rd. Complaining about other official not calling any fouls (really not a rough game at all, just sloppy).

He loses his mind again, I'm trail in front of his bench. I tell him, "Coach that's enough."

He responds "I'll say when that's enough"

Bang.

First T.

Warranted?

Originally Posted by Man In Blue (Post 578099)

I had a streak of 3 nights in a row calling T's. I was late in the 4th Qtr of the soph game and no T's. I make the mistake of saying to my self during a time out the streak is over.

Next play out of the time out a player reaches and slaps the are of the defender. I whistle the foul and the next thing I know the player slams the ball on the floor. The ball easily goes ten feet in the air.

The streak continues...

Oh, the best part is that the slap is the 7th team foul and the T is 8th. So we shoot the bonus, the T and give the ball to the other team. Pretty big penalty. Hope she learned something.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 578101)

Wasn't the slap a team control foul?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 578101)

Wasn't the slap a team control foul?

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 578112)

Coming "out of a time out", it might have been during the throw-in.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 578107)

HS has been pretty tame lately.

Men's league last night: blue has the ball with seconds left in Q2. "8... 7... 6... 5..." And then there's a steal by white. "4... 3-2-1." White jacks up what would be described as a 4-point shot.

Tweet. Unsporting.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 578107)

HS has been pretty tame lately.

Men's league last night: blue has the ball with seconds left in Q2. "8... 7... 6... 5..." And then there's a steal by white. "4... 3-2-1." White jacks up what would be described as a 4-point shot.

Tweet. Unsporting.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 578120)

For what?

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 578175)

Simulating the end of a period.

Originally Posted by Man In Blue (Post 578099)

Next play out of the time out a player reaches and slaps the are of the defender.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 578180)

I'm confused. I thought it was the end of the period.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 578188)

When white stole the ball, blue continued to count down, but instead of "3... 2... 1..." with the ellipses representing 1 second of elapsed time, they went "3-2-1", all within about a half-second.

That caused white to shoot the ball prematurely, when in reality, they still had ~ 2 seconds left.

There is no visible clock in men's leagues games here; the league doesn't get to use the HS clocks. They play running time 25min halves and stop clock in the last 2 minutes if the gap is < 16 points.

Originally Posted by richmsn (Post 578095)

not only warranted, but in a few years you'll find that this one was easy.

Originally Posted by Forksref (Post 578189)

If that warrants a "T", then I think you are looking for trouble.

Originally Posted by eemich10 (Post 578080)

I'm a second year official, working with a strong first year. G JV game. Visiting coach lossing by about 18-20 in the 3rd. Complaining about other official not calling any fouls (really not a rough game at all, just sloppy).

He loses his mind again, I'm trail in front of his bench. I tell him, "Coach that's enough."

He responds "I'll say when that's enough"

Bang.

First T.

Warranted?

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 578188)

When white stole the ball, blue continued to count down, but instead of "3... 2... 1..." with the ellipses representing 1 second of elapsed time, they went "3-2-1", all within about a half-second.

That caused white to shoot the ball prematurely, when in reality, they still had ~ 2 seconds left.

There is no visible clock in men's leagues games here; the league doesn't get to use the HS clocks. They play running time 25min halves and stop clock in the last 2 minutes if the gap is < 16 points.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 578206)

Do you think maybe you left out a little bit of info in your first post? ;)

Originally Posted by eemich10 (Post 578080)

I'm a second year official, working with a strong first year. G JV game. Visiting coach lossing by about 18-20 in the 3rd. Complaining about other official not calling any fouls (really not a rough game at all, just sloppy).

He loses his mind again, I'm trail in front of his bench. I tell him, "Coach that's enough."

He responds "I'll say when that's enough"

Bang.

First T.

Warranted?

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 578222)

I thought about it, but I am working at the same time, and was hoping that the ... and - would show the difference in the counting down. Even with a visible clock, there is no need to attempt to deceive. Just mho.

Originally Posted by eemich10 (Post 578080)

He loses his mind again, I'm trail in front of his bench. I tell him, "Coach that's enough."

He responds "I'll say when that's enough"

Bang.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 578300)

Last month, I had a coach who didn't like a call. Gave him a brief explanation as I went by.

Him: "That was horrible!"
Me: "That's enough, Coach."
Him: "That was horrible!"
Me: "I've heard enough, Coach!" (Showing the stop sign.)
Him: "Yeah, I've heard enough, too. And that was horrible!"

Tweet!

After the game, my partner said how much he enjoyed the whole exchange. His favorite part was my two-fingered T signal. He got a kick out of that, for some reason.

So to answer your original question, good T.

Originally Posted by Berkut (Post 578353)

You are more tolerant than I am.

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 578364)

That's possible. I'm pretty comfortable with my tolerance level. I give a few T's a season, but I'm not generally looking for them.

Originally Posted by Berkut (Post 578773)

I hope none of us are looking for them.



I guess for me "That's enough" means just that - enough. Not "That is almost enough, go ahead and repeat yourself one more time but no more!".

I mean, I just GAVE him the chance to back off, didn't I? By saying "Thats enough" rather than just banging him?

I am sure there is more than one "right" answer here, so I don't want to suggest that I am certainly right - but I guess I just don't understand the idea that my job is to try to convince a coach to NOT get himself the T, and provide him more than one opportunity to go back to coaching. I wonder if we don't just encourage the same behavior since they tend to know we don't REALLY mean it when we say "That's enough".

I am relatively new to this (just a few years experience at the JV level), so perhaps as I do this more I will become more tolerant?

Originally Posted by icallfouls (Post 578852)

t for 2 players squaring up and mouthing off with chest to chest contact, followed by the classic line "you wanna piece of me?"

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 579488)

I hope you gave that one for it's being hackneyed and trite. Sheez, kid, get a little creative here!

Originally Posted by snorman75 (Post 579577)

I have thrown a Grandmother out of the gym.