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fiasco Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:45am

Another "to T or not to T"
 
Just wanted someone else's take on this one.

First quarter, I'm inbounding the ball near V team's bench. V coach apparently doesn't like my count, so he starts counting for me (albeit much too quickly). As we're going the other way, I warn him, "Coach, it's my job to count, not yours. Please allow me to do my job."

Fourth quarter, I'm T following the ball up the court, V coach yells out to me "(Unintelligible) working (unintelligilbe) butts off... and you're not even counting!"

I was in the middle of a 10-second count at the time.

I T'ed him up.

Thoughts?

mbyron Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:50am

Coach was mistaken. That's a T? I don't think I would have called it, though I understand your annoyance.

slow whistle Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:03pm

You warned him once, I don't have a problem with it....even if I say "I would not have T'd him for that", everyone has their own limit of what they are willing to take, if he pushed it past your limit then you did the right thing..as long as you are consistent they will learn...

Adam Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 576061)
Coach was mistaken. That's a T? I don't think I would have called it, though I understand your annoyance.

He'd already warned him, I have no problem with the T. It was personal.

IREFU2 Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 576055)
Just wanted someone else's take on this one.

First quarter, I'm inbounding the ball near V team's bench. V coach apparently doesn't like my count, so he starts counting for me (albeit much too quickly). As we're going the other way, I warn him, "Coach, it's my job to count, not yours. Please allow me to do my job."

Fourth quarter, I'm T following the ball up the court, V coach yells out to me "(Unintelligible) working (unintelligilbe) butts off... and you're not even counting!"

I was in the middle of a 10-second count at the time.

I T'ed him up.

Thoughts?

I would have ignored him. Let him count all he wants too, only my count counts!!!!

Man In Blue Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:04pm

My rule of thumb is if you question wether it was a good or bad T it probably was a good call. By this point in the season your first reaction is the right one. Just like when you make a travel call. You see it you call it. The thought process is very short.

February is the time of year when all the crazy coach come out. Our jobs are as much calling the game as it is the administrative stuff.

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:14pm

"Coach - when you start counting like that it makes me lose count and I have to start over."

IREFU2 Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark padgett (Post 576080)
"coach - when you start counting like that it makes me lose count and i have to start over."

lol!!!!!!

fiasco Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 576080)
"Coach - when you start counting like that it makes me lose count and I have to start over."

Mark, I wish you were a tiny ref fairy I could fit in my back pocket to feed me one-liners throughout the course of a game.

Adam Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 576086)
Mark, I wish you were a tiny ref fairy I could fit in my back pocket to feed me one-liners throughout the course of a game.

Mark's posts should come with the car commercial disclaimer: Professional driver on a closed course; do not try this at home.

jdmara Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 576087)
Mark's posts should come with the car commercial disclaimer: Professional driver on a closed course; do not try this at home.

That one-liner does work. I've used it many times. Coaches laugh usually and stop the silliness

-Josh

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 576086)
Mark, I wish you were a tiny ref fairy I could fit in my back pocket to feed me one-liners throughout the course of a game.

Don't worry. My book will be out soon. In fact, it will come out on tape so you can listen to it during the game with your walkman (or whatever they're selling these days - I can't keep up).

The book will be entitled : "Victims Of Abuse - The Referee Story". It's a sequel to my first book, "Coaching For Dummies".

bigdogrunnin Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 576080)
"Coach - when you start counting like that it makes me lose count and I have to start over."

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!! We have a winner . . . :p

I would just like to point out that I said the same thing on THIS thread, but I got no love. I'm crushed . . . :(

TrojanHorse Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:41pm

Where can I get Coaching for Dummies, I will take any advice I can get.

deecee Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:59pm

The only thing i hate about this is when the coach is right about the count or a call and I make it, not because he wanted it, but because it was the right call that I was going to make anyway.

Now instead of 1 PITA (pain in the a$$) you have the potential of the other coach crying about giving his opponent a call that he wanted.

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 05, 2009 01:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 576098)
Where can I get Coaching for Dummies, I will take any advice I can get.

Just send me your debit card number and PIN. If you actually do that, then this is the right book for you. ;)

chartrusepengui Thu Feb 05, 2009 01:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 576102)
The only thing i hate about this is when the coach is right about the count or a call and I make it, not because he wanted it, but because it was the right call that I was going to make anyway.

Now instead of 1 PITA (pain in the a$$) you have the potential of the other coach crying about giving his opponent a call that he wanted.

This is where Padgett's "Coach - when you start counting like that it makes me lose count and I have to start over." comes in and you don't make the call:D

fiasco Thu Feb 05, 2009 01:19pm

I forgot to add that I felt justified in my decision when, as my partner and I were leaving the floor, the coach broke off from the handshake line to yell at me "That's why you're not varsity."

It took everything within my power to not turn around and say, "Well, coach, looking at the scoreboard, that's why you're not varsity, either."

TrojanHorse Thu Feb 05, 2009 01:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 576106)
Just send me your debit card number and PIN. If you actually do that, then this is the right book for you. ;)

I think you need to come down here and give a clinic, people here take Basketball way too seriously. You and everyone here seem to have the right perspective about what high school and middle school athletics is all about. To many people get too wrapped up in this.

Jmuvol Thu Feb 05, 2009 01:34pm

Wrong title?
 
Hey Padgett...wasn't your first book "Coaching BY Dummies"?:eek:

But seriously, I have told a coach on 3 second counts that every time he yells at me, I loose count and have to start over.

deecee Thu Feb 05, 2009 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 576108)
I forgot to add that I felt justified in my decision when, as my partner and I were leaving the floor, the coach broke off from the handshake line to yell at me "That's why you're not varsity."

It took everything within my power to not turn around and say, "Well, coach, looking at the scoreboard, that's why you're not varsity, either."

A coach once said that to me and I responded with "looks like we are both in the same boat eh?"

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Feb 05, 2009 01:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 576120)
A coach once said that to me and I responded with "looks like we are both in the same boat eh?"

With an Irish accent? :D

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 05, 2009 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 576110)
I think you need to come down here and give a clinic

I'll be glad to do that. Just send me your debit card number and PIN so I can buy plane tickets. ;)


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