i saw an illegal call by the ref in the bulls/rockets game

[deecee]

Don't take offense to what we say here to you, its just lots of experience in similar situations where the OP does not have genuine interest but just want to troll around and waste our time. I am glad you came to a conclusion, and I do appologize if I offended

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PackersFTW

you guys seem to be under the impression that i'm saying that i'm 100% right, and nothing you can say will change my mind. if i thought i wasn't mistaken, and was 100% right, why would i come here asking questions? also, i could have 1000 posts, that proves nothing. if anything, age would be most indicative; i'd believe somebody who is 24 with 9 posts over somebody who is 17 with 1853 posts.

i knew i was probably mistaken (several people, including officials, not noticing the rules? c'mon), i just couldn't figure it out.

You're the one who wanted me to assume you had the facts right. I didn't think you were lying, I just thought there was something you missed. There was.

FWIW, I'd trust someone who is 35 or 40 over either of your hypothetical examples. My point had nothing to do with your post count, and everything to do with how long you've been at this site (I never mentioned post count, you did) and your statement of, "usually what happens is, you assume the OP is truthful."

You haven't been here long enough to know what "usually" happens. Again, I didn't imply you weren't being truthful, I asked what your source of information was. Your answer should have been, "the announcers."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I will go watch the Rachel Maddow show as penance.

Not exactly Olby, but it'll do.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PackersFTW

you guys seem to be under the impression that i'm saying that i'm 100% right, and nothing you can say will change my mind.

Maybe that's because your post reads "Hey -- I caught the NBA making a mistake so basic that even a 24-year old with no experience knows the rule / call" instead of "Can anyone explain what happened at 4:15? Nocioni was given two fouls (a P and a T), but I don't see what he did to earn the T? Is the NBA rule different?"

And, for what it's worth, I believe that you are truthful in reporting what you saw. I do think it's likely that you didn't "see" the whole thing.

[PackersFTW]

Originally Posted by deecee

Don't take offense to what we say here to you, its just lots of experience in similar situations where the OP does not have genuine interest but just want to troll around and waste our time. I am glad you came to a conclusion, and I do appologize if I offended

no need to apologize, i totally agree. why would anybody troll around and waste somebody's time on here, an officiating forum? best place to do that would be a general forum where there are lots of teens. like i explained, if somebody insults me, and then i defend myself, i refuse to be targeted as the problem, even indirectly. regardless of what people think of my questions, as long as i'm discussing things in a regular/polite manner, the person throwing insults should be targeted, not me.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're the one who wanted me to assume you had the facts right. I didn't think you were lying, I just thought there was something you missed. There was.

FWIW, I'd trust someone who is 35 or 40 over either of your hypothetical examples. My point had nothing to do with your post count, and everything to do with how long you've been at this site (I never mentioned post count, you did) and your statement of, "usually what happens is, you assume the OP is truthful."

You haven't been here long enough to know what "usually" happens. Again, I didn't imply you weren't being truthful, I asked what your source of information was. Your answer should have been, "the announcers."

absolutely. the older the better, that's why i'm here. not calling you guys old, just calling you over 30. i think i made a mistake posting that last part on this thread if i have no beef with you guys. didn't mean to make it sound like i did. it's just in some other threads, a few people on here have really tried to pick a fight with me, so i'm on edge and tend to be looking out for insults, when alls i'm trying to do is discuss things. that's what's great about this forum, is most of you, even when misunderstanding something, don't get all crazy and start throwing insults, whereas on another forum, i would have been flamed multiple times for what i said, even though i didn't insult anybody. so that's a huge reason why i'm here, and why i may discuss things that are possibly not really meant for this forum.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by PackersFTW

not calling you guys old, just calling you over 30.

Whoah there nelly, I am still south of the Mason Dixon Line.

[PackersFTW]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Maybe that's because your post reads "Hey -- I caught the NBA making a mistake so basic that even a 24-year old with no experience knows the rule / call" instead of "Can anyone explain what happened at 4:15? Nocioni was given two fouls (a P and a T), but I don't see what he did to earn the T? Is the NBA rule different?"

And, for what it's worth, I believe that you are truthful in reporting what you saw. I do think it's likely that you didn't "see" the whole thing.

it's just how i talk, and i don't think it's uncommon for people to ask questions in the forum of statements. i take it too far though i guess. i just call it like i see it at the time (and at the time, i was damn sure of what i saw. turns out, in a way, i was 3/4 of a second wrong). the thing is, regardless of if i'm too bold or wrong, people replying with insults and smart *** comments isn't going to make the situation better, that's all i'm saying. i'll try not to be so bold with my statements.

[PackersFTW]

Originally Posted by deecee

Whoah there nelly, I am still south of the Mason Dixon Line.

heh. just sayin' i don't think there are many officials under 30. although i'm used to major sports on tv, in which case you rarely see anybody under 30. maybe high school is different, but i imagine the refs are the parents of kids that are in high school, right?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PackersFTW

but i imagine the refs are the parents of kids that are in high school, right?

Yep -- exactly.

Sheesh.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by PackersFTW

maybe high school is different, but i imagine the refs are the parents of kids that are in high school, right?

Yes, it is a requirement in fact. I couldn't officiate high school football until my son became a freshman, which was the beginning of last season. I fathered him when I was 9 years old.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Yes, it is a requirement in fact. I couldn't officiate high school football until my son became a freshman, which was the beginning of last season. I fathered him when I was 9 years old.

These are just the kind of comments that don't make the situation better. I can't believe how mean-spirited you football guys are.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by PackersFTW

heh. just sayin' i don't think there are many officials under 30. although i'm used to major sports on tv, in which case you rarely see anybody under 30. maybe high school is different, but i imagine the refs are the parents of kids that are in high school, right?

You're being sarcastic, right?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

These are just the kind of comments that don't make the situation better. I can't believe how mean-spirited you football guys are.

Are you doubting my virility?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Are you doubting my virility?

I would never even think about your virility.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I would never eaven think about your virility.

Why not?