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kwv001 Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:40pm

Hoops fan arrested by ref
 
Check out this story, on one of our local tv stations website. How many of us would like to be able to this?!?!?

http://www.fox19.com/global/story.asp?s=9779064

Juulie Downs Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:43pm

LOL!! I like that the dad wails, "That's not fair!" Too funny... Like it's entrapment??

grunewar Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:46pm

Juulie - he was undercover!

Mark Padgett Tue Feb 03, 2009 01:14pm

I routinely arrest spectators since I'm an F.B.S. agent (Federal Bureau of Sarcasm). This goes back all the way to the 60s when I was a State Tripper.

Welpe Tue Feb 03, 2009 01:20pm

I can imagine how that phone call went, "Control this is Adam 12, I have one in custody and a technical foul on white. Code 4."

Mark Padgett Tue Feb 03, 2009 03:23pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 575365)
I can imagine how that phone call went, "Control this is Adam 12, I have one in custody and a technical foul on white. Code 4."

Excellent. :) Except technical fouls are a code 3.

kwv001 Tue Feb 03, 2009 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 575424)
Excellent. :) Except technical fouls are a code 3.

Doesn't it depend on whether it's a Class A or Class B techincal? :)

Adam Tue Feb 03, 2009 03:39pm

I hate to rain on the parade, but does anyone from IN here know what the rest of the story is? I just wonder what the reason for the arrest was, unless yelling at an official is a criminal offense in Indiana.

Sorry, I work with a bunch of cops, and this story got us to talking.

stosh Tue Feb 03, 2009 03:44pm

I was working a JV Girls once and a fight broke out in the stands on the side of the gym opposite the benches. Because of the commotion, play stopped so I told all of the players to return to thier benches. I figured I'd stay with the home bench and my partner could stay with the visitors... except I couldn't find my partner!

Yup, he was up in the stands breaking the fight up!

He was a first year guy and a sherriff's officer and the "police officer" side of him overruled the "referee" side. Every time we work together since then we cover "referee" duties in our pregame which includes staying out of the stands during fights.

Turs out the fight was between two kids from the home team and had nothing to with the game.

OHBBREF Tue Feb 03, 2009 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 575435)
I hate to rain on the parade, but does anyone from IN here know what the rest of the story is? I just wonder what the reason for the arrest was, unless yelling at an official is a criminal offense in Indiana.

Sorry, I work with a bunch of cops, and this story got us to talking.

In some states there is verbal assault or verbal abuse of an officer.

Adam Tue Feb 03, 2009 04:06pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 575450)
In some states there is verbal assault or verbal abuse of an officer.

Does that apply when the officer is off duty and "unmarked?"

Mark Padgett Tue Feb 03, 2009 04:08pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 575451)
Does that apply when the officer is off duty and "unmarked?"

Hey - his badge number was on his whistle. It was "40". :cool:

OHBBREF Tue Feb 03, 2009 04:23pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 575451)
Does that apply when the officer is off duty and "unmarked?"

not sure but they can always charge you with anything they want - making it stick is something else.

this guy should just be glad the officer wasn't packing heat - because he deserved to get riddled.

I wonder if his throw down would have chaffed his ankle when he ran?

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Feb 04, 2009 08:45am

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 575462)
this guy should just be glad the officer wasn't packing heat - because he deserved to get riddled.

Good one! But maybe now that his name's out there, coaches may live in fear of this officer/referee. Pat Knight would have been in cuffs after that tirade the other night.

jcarter Wed Feb 04, 2009 08:56am

I work with people that know the individual that got arrested and I believe I have worked with this official once.

Anyway the funny thing, if there can be a funny thing, This guy doesnt even have kids that go to that school anymore, they have all graduated and he still throws a fit....

Adam Wed Feb 04, 2009 09:54am

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Originally Posted by jcarter (Post 575596)
Anyway the funny thing, if there can be a funny thing, This guy doesnt even have kids that go to that school anymore, they have all graduated and he still throws a fit....

Indiana High School Basketball, not surprising. We've all seen Hoosiers.

jcarter Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:11am

Also, to answer your other question a bit Snaq's

The story goes that this "fan" got in the officials face after the game. Then proceeded to chest bump him. The official went to walk away and the "fan" body bumped him again.

At that point he then Identified himself as a police officer, the "Fan then decided to push a little more and with some assistance from school officials the "Fan" was taken down and taken into custody.

Currently the story is they are trying to get him for Physical assualt on an official, assualting an officer, and resisting arrest.

Now whther those charges stick or not will be interesting to see.

Adam Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:26am

Thanks, jcarter, that makes a lot more sense. I knew there was more to it than that, but I was curious.

jcarter Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:32am

Oh ya and for those of you that dont know The School this "Fan" was cheering for, marquette, is a religious school.

Adam Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:35am

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Originally Posted by jcarter (Post 575639)
Oh ya and for those of you that dont know The School this "Fan" was cheering for, marquette, is a religious school.

Non-religious people send their kids to religious schools all the time for educational reasons.

Religious people aren't significantly less likely to lose their composure in stressful situations, either.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:40am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 575642)
Religious people aren't significantly less likely to lose their composure in stressful situations, either.

I assume you worked in a church school league before? You're not far from the truth with what you said.

Adam Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:49am

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Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 575643)
I assume you worked in a church school league before? You're not far from the truth with what you said.

Nah, I've just gone to church all my life.

Amesman Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:57am

Good story on this
 
Went looking for a local newspaper account online because I thought I had heard a radio report last night say the fan had tried to choke the ref with his whistle lanyard. Apparently true.

More good details from the incident, esp. from the official, here:

http://www.nwi.com/articles/2009/02/...5200040ba6.txt

Have to love the line, "You can't arrest me, you're a referee!"

BillyMac Wed Feb 04, 2009 07:01pm

"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
 
Since we're all expected to be the Fashion Police, do we all have powers of arrest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYAks...eature=related

JRutledge Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:36am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 575873)
Since we're all expected to be the Fashion Police, do we all have powers of arrest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYAks...eature=related

The ironic thing, I was at this school two weeks ago. I was there for a college game.

And this was a religious school. It amazes me how people that pray before games have sometimes the biggest problems controlling themselves.

Peace

archangel Thu Feb 05, 2009 09:07am

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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 575653)
Went looking for a local newspaper account online because I thought I had heard a radio report last night say the fan had tried to choke the ref with his whistle lanyard. Apparently true.

One of the reasons I use a Smitty, and tuck my whistle under my shirt at the end of a game...

jcarter Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 575947)
The ironic thing, I was at this school two weeks ago. I was there for a college game.

And this was a religious school. It amazes me how people that pray before games have sometimes the biggest problems controlling themselves.

Peace


You were at Marquette??? Were you working a Purdue North Central game?

Just curious. That Gym is about 5 blocks away from my office..

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:26am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 575648)
Nah, I've just gone to church all my life.

Ooooo, rough church? :D

Ref Ump Welsch Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 575947)
The ironic thing, I was at this school two weeks ago. I was there for a college game.

And this was a religious school. It amazes me how people that pray before games have sometimes the biggest problems controlling themselves.

Peace

I remember my white hat in football talking about working a tournament involving four colleges all with the same name (which shall remain nameless), all four being of the same denomination (which shall remain anonymous). He said they'd do the prayer and all that before the game, go throw up the ball and next thing you know, in the next 30 seconds, you'd have about 3 or 4 T's and an ejection and God knows what else. LOL

Scrapper1 Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 575642)
Non-religious people send their kids to religious schools all the time for educational reasons.

As well as for behavioral reasons, making it even more plausible to see a person be out of control at one of their games.

JRutledge Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by jcarter (Post 576014)
You were at Marquette??? Were you working a Purdue North Central game?

Just curious. That Gym is about 5 blocks away from my office..

That was the place. Kind of weird working a college game on a high school court, but it was what it was.

Peace


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