Inadvertent whistle on over and back

[181174]

Toward the end of a jv game tonight that had already been decided, I lost my concetration and had a mental lapse, the team that was winning was working the ball up the court and A1 was straddling the halfcourt line, one foot and the ball in the frontcourt, one foot in the back court, she threw a pass across to a teammate that was crossing into the frontcourt she drops the ball and it goes back into the backcourt, I for some reason blow my whistle and start to call an over and back violation, which it wasn't, the coach from that team yells that isn't over and back, which as soon as a blew the whistle I knew it wasn't. I point to myself and say that I screwed up the call, my question is since I blew the play dead, do we go the alternating possession arrow? I called it a jump ball and went to the arrow, I wanted to see if that was right or is it a point of interuption and I should have give the ball back to the team that was in possession before I had the inadvertent whistle? I know I had screwed this up before in the past just couldn't remember what the correct way to procede is?

[BillyMac]

Inadvertent whistle while team has team control: That team gets the ball for a throwin nearest the location of the ball at the time of the whistle.

Inadvertent whistle while neither team has team control: Alternating possession arrow and throwin nearest the location of the ball at the time of the whistle.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Inadvertent whistle while team has team control: That team gets the ball for a throwin nearest the location of the ball at the time of the whistle.

Inadvertent whistle while neither team has team control: Alternating possession arrow and throwin nearest the location of the ball at the time of the whistle.

Billy Mac, if it's not rocket science, then tell us what the ruling would have been if there had been an interrupted dribble and an inadvertent whistle.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Billy Mac, if it's not rocket science, then tell us what the ruling would have been if there had been an interrupted dribble and an inadvertent whistle.

This is easy, because I actually had this in a game Saturday, and I posted a question about it on the Forum. There is still team control, but not player control, during an interrupted dribble. That's why we can call a three second violation during an interrupted dribble.

Note: The rocket science title was not meant to be mean spirited, I just wanted to convey that inadvertent whistles are usually very easy to remedy. Should I go back and change the title? It does seem little harsh, especially coming from me.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This is easy, because I actually had this in a game Saturday, and I posted a question about it on the Forum. There is still team control, but not player control, during an interrupted dribble. That's why we can call a three second violation during an interrupted dribble.

Note: The rocket science title was not meant to be mean spirited, I just wanted to convey that inadvertent whistles are usually very easy to remedy. Should I go back and change the title? It does seem little harsh, especially coming from me.

No, I was just yanking your chain because the original play was not unlike your play. I found your reply amusing considering your previous thread.

[mbyron]

Wouldn't it be easier to remember that IW is always POI?

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by 181174

...I for some reason blow my whistle and start to call an over and back violation, which it wasn't, the coach from that team yells that isn't over and back, which as soon as a blew the whistle I knew it wasn't.

This doesn't answer your question, but a wise old man once told me a way out of this that I have used once. If you have an IW and know it, reach down to the floor and look like you are picking something up and put it in your pocket. Put the ball back in play and move on. No one will ever question that.

Roger

[SamIAm]

181174

Toward the end of a jv game tonight that had already been decided, I lost my concetration and had a mental lapse, the team that was winning was working the ball up the court and A1 was straddling the halfcourt line, one foot and the ball in the frontcourt, one foot in the back court, she threw a pass across to a teammate that was crossing into the frontcourt she drops the ball and ...

Where did the ball land when she dropped the ball?

[grunewar]

My partner last week, many more yrs of experience than me and a former V official who now does Rec Ball, had an IW as the T when he sneezed! No backcourt pressure on A1 as he was bringing the ball up and no consequence to the play. Never seen that one before. Funny as he!!.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

181174

Toward the end of a jv game tonight that had already been decided, I lost my concetration and had a mental lapse, the team that was winning was working the ball up the court and A1 was straddling the halfcourt line, one foot and the ball in the frontcourt, one foot in the back court, she threw a pass across to a teammate that was crossing into the frontcourt she drops the ball and ...

Where did the ball land when she dropped the ball?

I don't think the ball is in the FC, "crossing" doesnt' give enough information (and it should be "who was crossing...", and it doesn't matter (yet) where she dropped the ball.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think the ball is in the FC, "crossing" doesnt' give enough information (and it should be "who was crossing...", and it doesn't matter (yet) where she dropped the ball.

Your sharp so I am probably wrong but,

You have team control, ball is dropped and bounce in FC, the ball now has FC status, ball goes into BC. How is that scenarion not a BC violation?

Answered it myself. OP does not say which team next touched the ball.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by 181174

... I lost my concetration and had a mental lapse... I for some reason blow my whistle and start to call an over and back violation...

Early in my career I once called a BC violation at a volleyball line instead of mid-court line (in my defense, the d**n lines were the same color).

[mbyron]

I had a weird experience in a varsity girls game Saturday. Called a garden-variety over-and-back: ball in front court, girl jumps from back court, catches pass, lands in front court. Tweet!

Well the home fans went nuts! I'm still amazed at what they don't know... And the coach, who knows better, made oblique reference to it later in the game as if it were a ticky-tack call or something. Hmph.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Early in my career I once called a BC violation at a volleyball line instead of mid-court line (in my defense, lines were the same color).

Been there. Done that.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Early in my career I once called a BC violation at a volleyball line instead of mid-court line (in my defense, the d**n lines were the same color).

Interestingly enough, last night I had a player kinda near mid-court jump forward quickly to receive a pass from his teammate and to try to avoid a backcourt violation.....as he too was mistaking another line on the court for the division line. He wasn't even close to the division line, making his actions certainly look odd.