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force39 Sat Jan 24, 2009 05:14pm

Foul while shot in air
 
A1 shoots the ball from outside while ball is
in the air A2 pushes B1 out of position to get rebound.

1. shot goes in
2. shot misses

2nd B1 pushes a2 out of way
1. shot goes in
2. shot misses.

What are the correct calls to be made.

JugglingReferee Sat Jan 24, 2009 05:34pm

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Originally Posted by force39 (Post 571929)
A1 shoots the ball from outside, and while ball is in the air, A2 pushes B1 out of position to get the rebound.

1. shot goes in
2. shot misses

2nd B1 pushes a2 out of way
1. shot goes in
2. shot misses.

What are the correct calls to be made.

From outside where? Outside the building? :p

Once the ball is in the air on a try, the shot counts if there subsequently is a foul - either A fouling B or B fouling A.

If A fouls B while the ball is in the air, report that the basket counts, report the foul, then give B the throw-in. If the shot misses, report the foul, then give B the throw-in.

If B fouls A while the ball is in the air, report that the basket counts, report the foul, then give A the throw-in. If the shot misses, report the foul, then give A the throw-in.

In each case, shot bonus if it applies.

BEAREF Sat Jan 24, 2009 05:41pm

free throws would be awarded in both #2 situations if the team is in a bonus or double bonus+

MatthewPV Sat Jan 24, 2009 05:48pm

Wouldn't free throws be awarded to either time (if in the bounus or double bonus) considering neither team has control of the ball?

mbyron Sun Jan 25, 2009 09:03am

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Originally Posted by MatthewPV (Post 571934)
Wouldn't free throws be awarded to either time (if in the bounus or double bonus) considering neither team has control of the ball?

Yes.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by force39 (Post 571929)
A1 shoots the ball from outside while ball is
in the air A2 pushes B1 out of position to get rebound.

1. shot goes in
2. shot misses

2nd B1 pushes a2 out of way
1. shot goes in
2. shot misses.

What are the correct calls to be made.

Force, you seem to be asking about the shot more so than anything else.

In each scenario, it makes no difference whether the shot misses or goes in. You still treat the foul the same way.

The foul has no effect on the shot. The only foul that causes a shot to end and the ball to become dead is a player control foul by the airborne shooter.

force39 Sun Jan 25, 2009 03:13pm

That's right I think I was wondering more about the shot whether or not it
is good in any situation. So pretty much if there is a foul after the shot is under way it counts, unless PC. Then award the foul.

Thanks,

And no the shot was from inside the building.

bob jenkins Sun Jan 25, 2009 08:59pm

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Originally Posted by force39 (Post 572134)
That's right I think I was wondering more about the shot whether or not it
is good in any situation. So pretty much if there is a foul after the shot is under way it counts, unless PC. Then award the foul.

Thanks,

And no the shot was from inside the building.

In both scenarios #1, you should condsider whether this might be incidental contact and be ignored.

wbrown Tue Jan 27, 2009 09:26am

Along the same line.

A1 shoots a three point shot, the ball is in the air and the shooter has both feet on the floor (not airborne) when B1 attempting to block the shot runs A1 over. The try fails and the referee signal 3 shots.

Is this the correct ruling?

jdw3018 Tue Jan 27, 2009 09:28am

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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 572838)
Along the same line.

A1 shoots a three point shot, the ball is in the air and the shooter has both feet on the floor (not airborne) when B1 attempting to block the shot runs A1 over. The try fails and the referee signal 3 shots.

Is this the correct ruling?

No.

JugglingReferee Tue Jan 27, 2009 09:32am

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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 572838)
Along the same line.

A1 shoots a three point shot, the ball is in the air and the shooter has both feet on the floor (not airborne) when B1 attempting to block the shot runs A1 over. The try fails and the referee signal 3 shots.

Is this the correct ruling?

Nope. The shooter has landed, so if fouled, it is a common foul, or possibly an excessive contact foul. By B1 "running over" A1 it sounds that A1 was forced to the ground, and was definitely taken out of opportunity for a rebound. Tweet: common foul. A1 could be shooting bonus; otherwise a throw-in for Team A after reporting B's foul.

refguy Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:26am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 572043)
Force, you seem to be asking about the shot more so than anything else.

In each scenario, it makes no difference whether the shot misses or goes in. You still treat the foul the same way.

The foul has no effect on the shot. The only foul that causes a shot to end and the ball to become dead is a player control foul by the airborne shooter.

Not true. A foul committed by a teammate of the shooter during a shot attempt causes the shot to end if the ball has not yet been released.

OHBBREF Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:48am

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Originally Posted by refguy (Post 572871)
Not true. A foul committed by a teammate of the shooter during a shot attempt causes the shot to end if the ball has not yet been released.

however since the ball has been release and is in flight in the post the comment is correct.

dbking Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:13am

With the situation that is posted by OP, it does not matter if shot is released. If B1 fouls A2 when A1 is act of shooting then you count the basket and call the foul.

OHBBREF Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:26am

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Originally Posted by dbking (Post 572884)
With the situation that is posted by OP, it does not matter if shot is released. If B1 fouls A2 when A1 is act of shooting then you count the basket and call the foul.

however that isn't the OP A2 is commiting the foul on B1


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