Intentional Foul?

[Spence]

Let me add some minor clarifications to my scenario.

Defender is trying to foul. With left hand he tries for a steal but whacks the kid across the arm. At almost the same time and in order to ensure he fouls the kid he uses his other arm to grab the jersey and yanks it - obvious intentional. I'm blowing the whistle for the first foul while the grab is taking place. No delay.

Do I ignore the intentional and only call the arm grab?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Spence

Let me add some minor clarifications to my scenario.

Defender is trying to foul. With left hand he tries for a steal but whacks the kid across the arm. At almost the same time and in order to ensure he fouls the kid he uses his other arm to grab the jersey and yanks it - obvious intentional. I'm blowing the whistle for the first foul while the grab is taking place. No delay.

Do I ignore the intentional and only call the arm grab?

Yes ignore the grab -- just say something to the kid along the lines of "make a play for the basketball" or something like that.

[jdmara]

This is a HTBT type of play. I think there is support for all the answers given, to be honest. I know in the past I have called it both ways depending on the mood of the game. If this is the first incident of things possibly going downhill, I would probably just call a common foul, use a little game management, and talk with the player. But if the game is already on the downward slide, I'm going to probable not pass on the intentional. just my $0.02

-Josh

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Spence

Let me add some minor clarifications to my scenario.

Defender is trying to foul. With left hand he tries for a steal but whacks the kid across the arm. At almost the same time and in order to ensure he fouls the kid he uses his other arm to grab the jersey and yanks it - obvious intentional. I'm blowing the whistle for the first foul while the grab is taking place. No delay.

Do I ignore the intentional and only call the arm grab?

I would.

The ball is dead when the first foul happens. The grab of the jersey (by itself) isn't excess contact and doesn't neutralize an obvious advantage, ...

So, while it would (or could) be an IP if the first foul hadn't happend, it's just incidental contact after the first foul does happen.