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refbater Wed Jan 21, 2009 01:19am

substituting during refs time
 
jv game last night object on the floor i blow whistle to stop play. during stoppage team A subs is this legal

Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 01:20am

Yes. It fits all the parameters for a sub (dead ball with the clock stopped) and none of the exceptions apply (no free throws involved).

JugglingReferee Wed Jan 21, 2009 05:17am

I'm with Snaq: any team can present a substitute. In addition, either team may request a timeout and it should be granted.

Juulie Downs Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 570676)
Yes. It fits all the parameters for a sub (dead ball with the clock stopped) and none of the exceptions apply (no free throws involved).

EEK!! Please, oh, please don't continue to use parameters in this way. It's NOT correct. A parameter is a specific mathematical object, not a "definition". IOW, not the same as a "perimeter" or "boundary" as people often use it. "Criteria" would be a very good substitute in the above sentence and sounds much more educated. [toggle off frustrated inner grandmother]

Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:36am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 570734)
EEK!! Please, oh, please don't continue to use parameters in this way. It's NOT correct. A parameter is a specific mathematical object, not a "definition". IOW, not the same as a "perimeter" or "boundary" as people often use it. "Criteria" would be a very good substitute in the above sentence and sounds much more educated. [toggle off frustrated inner grandmother]

Juulie, I think the 2nd definintion from Merriam Webster is close enough to fitting. It's a bit of a stretch, linguistically, I'll admit; but it fits common usage. When people stop incorrectly using "myself," (my personal pet peeve) I'll jump on the strict usage bandwagon.

SamIAm Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 570734)
EEK!! Please, oh, please don't continue to use parameters in this way. It's NOT correct. A parameter is a specific mathematical object, not a "definition". IOW, not the same as a "perimeter" or "boundary" as people often use it. "Criteria" would be a very good substitute in the above sentence and sounds much more educated. [toggle off frustrated inner grandmother]

Does this work?

The requirements for allowing a sub into the game are all positive, thusly represented by a 1 (negative would be represented by a 0). Therefore, the parameters are all positive. Please allow the sub.

One more thing, I miss Rainmaker, why the change?

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 570750)
Juulie, I think the 2nd definintion from Merriam Webster is close enough to fitting. It's a bit of a stretch, linguistically, I'll admit; but it fits common usage. When people stop incorrectly using "myself," (my personal pet peeve) I'll jump on the strict usage bandwagon.

From someone in a field that uses linguistics all the time (I teach American Sign Language), the definition fits. I use the word parameters when talking about individual signs, because there's four parameters to a sign.

fullor30 Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:24am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch (Post 570783)
From someone in a field that uses linguistics all the time (I teach American Sign Language), the definition fits. I use the word parameters when talking about individual signs, because there are four parameters to a sign.


Fixed for ya since we are getting into grammar, etc.

BktBallRef Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:59am

Sheesh!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 570734)
EEK!! Please, oh, please don't continue to use parameters in this way. It's NOT correct. A parameter is a specific mathematical object, not a "definition". IOW, not the same as a "perimeter" or "boundary" as people often use it. "Criteria" would be a very good substitute in the above sentence and sounds much more educated. [toggle off frustrated inner grandmother]


Get over it granny. Dictionary.com disagrees with you.



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Refsmitty Wed Jan 21, 2009 01:26pm

Bater - where are you going with this post?:D

refbater Wed Jan 21, 2009 01:47pm

is this a officials forum or dictionary forum
 
the next time i want a lesson on grammar i will contact you guys

Scratch85 Wed Jan 21, 2009 01:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refbater (Post 570880)
the next time i want a lesson on grammar i will contact you guys

I think that would be, "Is this an officials forum or a dictionary forum?" :p

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jan 21, 2009 03:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 570812)
Fixed for ya since we are getting into grammar, etc.

Pardon my mistake...I keep forgetting people speak proper English. My mistake would be a normal thing for deaf people to write. Damn linguist in me just can't stop! ;)

BillyMac Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:51pm

He's Been Trying To Edumacate Us ...
 
This is all mbyron's fault. We were all doing fine posting in one syllable words until he showed up.

mbyron Thu Jan 22, 2009 07:19am

Oh sure, blame me. :p

I read today that the kerfuffle over the presidential oath of office likely happened because Chief Justice Roberts is overly attached to the bogus rule against split infinitives.

The grammarian Fowler was largely responsible for demonizing constructions like, "to boldly go where no man has gone before," but I had always thought that he pulled the rule out of his butt. Turns out he justified it by the fact that Latin infinitives are a single word, and concluded that English infinitives should not be split.

I guess you gotta know where to draw the line. Oh, that probably applies to the OP, too. ;)


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