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Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:41am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570733)
I have to disagree with you comment about not-so-knowledgeable officials.

Lane Violations will occur more frequently now that we have moved everyone further from the end line. The offensive players in the second lane spaces will try to hook around the defensive players in the first lane spaces. There is more room to use that maneuver. Remember the ball must strike the basket before anyone moves from his/her lane space. Also, each person must keep his/her entire body in his/her own vertical plane which is 3-foot wide. Arms, legs and torso must stay within that plane.
:)
The entire second half of your post is incorrect. As others have pointed out, NFHS rules do not require arms legs and torso remain in the space. Also, which hasn't been mentioned, the ball does not need to strike the basket before they can leave their space. They can also leave once it hits the backboard.

I hate it when refs inform the players to "wait til it hits the rim" on free throws.

Wow, I see that's directly from the PIAA website. Sad. They really ought to read the rules before posting these sorts of things.

wbrown Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:44am
Along the same lines. A1 is in the first legal lane space closes to the basket. B1 has the ball, A1 takes one step backwards to look to the bench then before B1 shoots A1 takes one step forward. He has not enter the lane. L official has a delayed lane violation. Is this the correct call?

bob jenkins Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:48am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570753)
Along the same lines. A1 is in the first legal lane space closes to the basket. B1 has the ball, A1 takes one step backwards to look to the bench then before B1 shoots A1 takes one step forward. He has not enter the lane. L official has a delayed lane violation. Is this the correct call?
Did the "one-step back" cause A1 to leave the space?

Did the movement disconcert the FT shooter?

If neither, then the official was not correct.

CoachP Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:55am
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 570686)
You will hear many not-so-knowledgeable officials instruct the players to keep their hands in their own space. :( There is no such rule.
I usually hear that instruction when A1 and B1 are "slapping" at each others arms.

Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 09:56am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570753)
Along the same lines. A1 is in the first legal lane space closes to the basket. B1 has the ball, A1 takes one step backwards to look to the bench then before B1 shoots A1 takes one step forward. He has not enter the lane. L official has a delayed lane violation. Is this the correct call?
The question you need to ask, "How deep is the lane space?"

wbrown Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:05am
IMO he did not disconcert the FT shooter. But how deep is the lane space. I thought it was 36 inches wide and 12 inches deep but I am not positive.

Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:11am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570768)
IMO he did not disconcert the FT shooter. But how deep is the lane space. I thought it was 36 inches wide and 12 inches deep but I am not positive.
Dude, my feet are 13 inches long.

wbrown Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:17am
Okay that is why I ask. 36 x 12 seemed to small. I also was told 36 x 36 which seems way to big. I am looking for help.

Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:18am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570774)
Okay that is why I ask. 36 x 12 seemed to small. I also was told 36 x 36 which seems way to big. I am looking for help.
My book's in the car, but I'm pretty sure it's 36 x 36. 36 inches really isn't that deep.

CoachP Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:19am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570774)
Okay that is why I ask. 36 x 12 seemed to small. I also was told 36 x 36 which seems way to big. I am looking for help.

36" x 36" does sound big...how does 3' x 3' sound?

:D

wbrown Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:21am
Okay lets say we agree on 36 x 36 once the shooter has the ball can a player step off the line staying within the 36 inches and not disconcerting the free thrower and not have a lane violation?

Adam Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:22am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570779)
Okay lets say we agree on 36 x 36 once the shooter has the ball can a player step off the line staying within the 36 inches and not disconcerting the free thrower and not have a lane violation?
What would the violation be for? :confused:

wbrown Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:31am
Okay, we agree this should not have been a lane violation. I talk the referee after the game and I did not agree with his explanation that once the shooter has the ball nobody can move off the lane line. I felt as long as he stayed within the 36" x 36" box he was okay as long as he did not disconcert the free thrower.

Thank you all for verifying my thoughts.

bob jenkins Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:47am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570774)
Okay that is why I ask. 36 x 12 seemed to small. I also was told 36 x 36 which seems way to big. I am looking for help.
1-5-2.

Not all the answers are in the book, but some are.

Ref Ump Welsch Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:52am
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Originally Posted by wbrown (Post 570733)
Lane Violations will occur more frequently now that we have moved everyone further from the end line. The offensive players in the second lane spaces will try to hook around the defensive players in the first lane spaces. There is more room to use that maneuver. Remember the ball must strike the basket before anyone moves from his/her lane space. Also, each person must keep his/her entire body in his/her own vertical plane which is 3-foot wide. Arms, legs and torso must stay within that plane.
First of all, already mentioned on the board, this isn't even supported by rule. Second of all, if the part in red is true, then basketball might as well as be played by kids with sticks up their a**es.


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