5-second closely guarded rule

Also, keep in mind the closely guarded rule (FED) does require that the defender must have legal guarding position, meaning he/she must be between the basket and the person with the ball. I can't tell you how many times I've seen an official do the count when the defender didn't have LGP that fit the definition.

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by Ref Ump Welsch

Also, keep in mind the closely guarded rule (FED) does require that the defender must have legal guarding position, meaning he/she must be between the basket and the person with the ball. I can't tell you how many times I've seen an official do the count when the defender didn't have LGP that fit the definition.

Just curious RUW, where do you see the fact that the defender must be between the basket and the player with the ball?

According to NFHS Rules Book Rule 4-23-2:

ART. 2 . . . To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

I don't see any reference to the basket, here. Is it listed somewhere else?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Just curious RUW, where do you see the fact that the defender must be between the basket and the player with the ball?

According to NFHS Rules Book Rule 4-23-2:

ART. 2 . . . To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

I don't see any reference to the basket, here. Is it listed somewhere else?

I'm also trying to figure out where the requirement is for LGP. I haven't found that one, either.

[mutantducky]

Because I haven't been doing girls game-- just to make sure

the 5 rule is only when a player is holding the ball? In the front and backcourt? So no dribbling five seconds like the boys?

Also, can it only be done after a dribble or can the count be started before the dribble and she is closely guarded?

[love2refbball]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Because I haven't been doing girls game-- just to make sure

the 5 rule is only when a player is holding the ball? In the front and backcourt? So no dribbling five seconds like the boys?

Also, can it only be done after a dribble or can the count be started before the dribble and she is closely guarded?

In NCAAW the five second count is only on a held ball, anywhere on the court, when a defender is within 3 feet, so no count while dribbling. And no not only AFTER a dribble, anytime the ball is being held, before or after the dribble. If my memory serves me right, in CA H.S. girls play with a 30 second shot clock and this rule pertains to them too.

[mutantducky]

Ok, I was thinking it was only on after the dribble. Luckily, nothing like that has come up yet.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Just curious RUW, where do you see the fact that the defender must be between the basket and the player with the ball?

According to NFHS Rules Book Rule 4-23-2:

ART. 2 . . . To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

I don't see any reference to the basket, here. Is it listed somewhere else?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm also trying to figure out where the requirement is for LGP. I haven't found that one, either.

That's because it doesn't exist.

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Just curious RUW, where do you see the fact that the defender must be between the basket and the player with the ball?

According to NFHS Rules Book Rule 4-23-2:

ART. 2 . . . To obtain an initial legal guarding position:
a. The guard must have both feet touching the playing court.
b. The front of the guard's torso must be facing the opponent.

I don't see any reference to the basket, here. Is it listed somewhere else?

I don't think it's in the rule book, but it seems like common sense that the defender must be between the basket and the player (if he's dribbling). Otherwise, the player would be considered to have his head and shoulders in front of the defender and thus the count is off.

Conversely, if he's not dribbling, and is pivoting, the defender will often not be between him and the basket and the count should be on.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

I don't think it's in the rule book, but it seems like common sense that the defender must be between the basket and the player (if he's dribbling). Otherwise, the player would be considered to have his head and shoulders in front of the defender and thus the count is off.

Not all dribbler's are going to the basket.