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dbking Fri Jan 16, 2009 01:48pm

Purude vs. Northwestern
 
I would love to know some interpretations on the play at the 1:02 mark of this video.

http://all-access.cbssports.com/play...ur&media=99802

The play happens at the division line. The NU player clearly kicks the ball and there is no call.

Your comments please.

Adam Fri Jan 16, 2009 01:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 569418)
The play happens at the division line. The NU player clearly kicks the ball and there is no call.

Way to taint the jury, dude.

Spence Fri Jan 16, 2009 01:56pm

I agree.

refguy Fri Jan 16, 2009 02:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 569418)
I would love to know some interpretations on the play at the 1:02 mark of this video.

http://all-access.cbssports.com/play...ur&media=99802

The play happens at the division line. The NU player clearly kicks the ball and there is no call.

Your comments please.

The play had no effect on the game as they missed the shot on the other end.
How about the foul called with 2.2 seconds left? That had an effect on the outcome.

JRutledge Fri Jan 16, 2009 02:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 569418)
I would love to know some interpretations on the play at the 1:02 mark of this video.

http://all-access.cbssports.com/play...ur&media=99802

The play happens at the division line. The NU player clearly kicks the ball and there is no call.

Your comments please.

Really?

Peace

jeffpea Fri Jan 16, 2009 03:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbking (Post 569418)
I would love to know some interpretations on the play at the 1:02 mark of this video.

http://all-access.cbssports.com/play...ur&media=99802

The play happens at the division line. The NU player clearly kicks the ball and there is no call.

Your comments please.

looks to me (sitting here in my comfy office chair) like he hit the ball w/ his arm....however I will trust the judgement of Ed Hightower, Curtis Shaw, and Ted Valentine - all of whom were in a better position to view this play than you or I or anyone else......

btw, I tried to look up how many combined Final Fours this group has worked, but I couldn't count that high.

Brad Fri Jan 16, 2009 03:51pm

Agree with the others -- it is not "clear" by any means ... and I am going to have to go with the referee who is standing RIGHT THERE on top of the play rather than trying to determine the play from a poor quality internet video!

Also, great intentional foul on the play before.

Adam Fri Jan 16, 2009 03:57pm

Okay, it's killing me. Where is Purude?
Do they play in the Big Ent?

JRutledge Fri Jan 16, 2009 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 569482)
Okay, it's killing me. Where is Purude?
Do they play in the Big Ent?

No, Continental Conference. :D

Peace

LDUB Fri Jan 16, 2009 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refguy (Post 569429)
The play had no effect on the game as they missed the shot on the other end.
How about the foul called with 2.2 seconds left? That had an effect on the outcome.

So just because Northwestern didn't score possible kick call had no effect on the game? What about all the time that ran off the clock while Northwestern had the ball? Purdue would have had a throw in had the kick been called...what if they scored on that possession....what if Northwestern stole the throw in and scored quickly....what if Purdue's best player fouled after the throw in was stolen? Seems to me like not calling it a kick definitely changed the ending of the game. Every call has an effect on the game.

Kelvin green Fri Jan 16, 2009 05:22pm

Really a clear kick?

First, from what I can tell from the video is that the physics are all wrong... What does a ball due when it is intentionally kicked? Goes right back to the defender and he gets the ball and dribbles for a layup?

Second... Guy is playing good defensive posture, I cant see where even if the ball went off his foot it would be a kick... I agree more with the arm hitting it...

Lastly Graet intentional call!

Jay R Fri Jan 16, 2009 08:05pm

Boys, some of you guys are taking this solidarity thing a bit too far. Ted V. Ed H and Curtis shaw are tremendous officials with all kinds of credentials.

However, the ball is clearly kicked by the defender. Acknowledging that fact does not take away from the officials. If you look at the video, the trail official does not get a look at the play so he misses the kick ball. it happens to the best. To deny that the ball was kicked is difficult for me to believe.

Camron Rust Fri Jan 16, 2009 08:47pm

Looks clean to me. As someone said....looked like he batted it with his hand. The ball went to the floor near his foot after the bat. No kick.

JRutledge Sat Jan 17, 2009 12:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 569529)
Boys, some of you guys are taking this solidarity thing a bit too far. Ted V. Ed H and Curtis shaw are tremendous officials with all kinds of credentials.

However, the ball is clearly kicked by the defender. Acknowledging that fact does not take away from the officials. If you look at the video, the trail official does not get a look at the play so he misses the kick ball. it happens to the best. To deny that the ball was kicked is difficult for me to believe.

It is not about solidarity. It is about that it is not clear that a kick took place and the angle on a bad video does not make it clearer. I will say I thought there might have been a kick when I saw the play live, but I was not at the angle the officials were. And I know how angles and being on the floor give you a completely different perspective than some tape after the fact. You have not convinced me that the ball hit the hand first and then foot, which is debatable if there was a kick. The ball might have touched the leg, but not necessarily a kick.

Peace

mbyron Sat Jan 17, 2009 08:21am

Solidarity: sticking with your friends till they're proven wrong.

Benefit of the doubt: trusting experienced officials over distant, potentially misleading camera angles and whiney fanboys.


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