jewlery question

[beachbum]

High school JV game. Substitute comes in the game and Has a string with a small knot( the knot has the appearance of a very small diamond) in each ear. he has recently had his ear pierced. I tell the player he can't play with this as it is jewlery. Coach says it was approved in a previous game by the officials.

Since it was a string, I decided to allow him to play..... right or wrong????

[rlarry]

Wrong. You were right in your statement, it is jewelry they need to come out.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by rlarry

Wrong. You were right in your statement, it is jewelry they need to come out.

His statement was correct, but not what you said: the jewelry can stay in if the player wishes, but he cannot play with it in.

[rlarry]

Originally Posted by mbyron

His statement was correct, but not what you said: the jewelry can stay in if the player wishes, but he cannot play with it in.

Actually, when I said wrong, I was referring to the fact that they let them play, which was his question. I never stated the part in red

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rlarry

Wrong. You were right in your statement, it is jewelry they need to come out.

I'm not so sure on this one. Is it really jewelry? If they had a band-aid over the piercing (no earring under)....is that jewelry? No. There can be things on the ear that are not jewelry. Given the nature, intent, and purpose of the jewelry rule, I'm not sure a soft piece of soft string not meant for adornment but meant for preserving the piercing would be jewelry if it is merely knotted at the surface. It couldn't get caught, it couldn't punture, it couldn't scrape, etc. I think that it might be a very clever way to acomplish the preservation of a new piercing without violating the jewelry rule.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not so sure on this one. Is it really jewelry? If they had a band-aid over the piercing (no earring under)....is that jewelry? No. There can be things on the ear that are not jewelry. Given the nature, intent, and purpose of the jewelry rule, I'm not sure a soft piece of soft string not meant for adornment but meant for preserving the piercing would be jewelry if it is merely knotted at the surface. It couldn't get caught, it couldn't punture, it couldn't scrape, etc. I think that it might be a very clever way to acomplish the preservation of a new piercing without violating the jewelry rule.

I agree, I would have them throw a piece of tape over the thread just to make sure nobody could hook a hang nail on it and let him/her play..I don't think this meets the definition of "jewelry"....I sure wish my wife thought so though!

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not so sure on this one. Is it really jewelry? If they had a band-aid over the piercing (no earring under)....is that jewelry? No. There can be things on the ear that are not jewelry. Given the nature, intent, and purpose of the jewelry rule, I'm not sure a soft piece of soft string not meant for adornment but meant for preserving the piercing would be jewelry if it is merely knotted at the surface. It couldn't get caught, it couldn't punture, it couldn't scrape, etc. I think that it might be a very clever way to acomplish the preservation of a new piercing without violating the jewelry rule.

There's been an interp, but it might just be in IL, that this "string" is considered jewelry for the purposes of this rule.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's been an interp, but it might just be in IL, that this "string" is considered jewelry for the purposes of this rule.

Haven't heard that Bob, I'd be interested to see it...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

There's been an interp, but it might just be in IL, that this "string" is considered jewelry for the purposes of this rule.

What if the player has "stitches" on the lower ear from some medical treatment? That is basically string meant to hold the tissue in place. Is that jewelry or not? Of course, it is not. Same material, same basic purpose...must be the same thing.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What if the player has "stitches" on the lower ear from some medical treatment? That is basically string meant to hold the tissue in place. Is that jewelry or not? Of course, it is not. Same material, same basic purpose...must be the same thing.

I suppose the argument could be made that the purpose is the crux of the issue- ie if you are wearing an arm sleeve that is for medical purposes that is acceptable, but if not for medical purposes unnacceptable...same item, different result..

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

What if the player has "stitches" on the lower ear from some medical treatment? That is basically string meant to hold the tissue in place. Is that jewelry or not? Of course, it is not. Same material, same basic purpose...must be the same thing.

There are often things that are allowed for medical reasons that are not allowed for other reasons.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I'm not sure a soft piece of soft string not meant for adornment but meant for preserving the piercing would be jewelry if it is merely knotted at the surface.

Knots have been known to come loose. How many times have we delayed during a dead ball to have kids tie their shoes? Tape falls off. How many times have we seen a piece of it (or a band-aid) on the floor and kicked it off to the side of the court?

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It couldn't get caught, it couldn't punture, it couldn't scrape, etc.

Famous last words...It can't do any of those things until the one time it actually does happen.

All I know is I'm not making myself any more liable than necessary, and the jewelry/string/tape is coming out or they're not playing...

[ma_ref]

Wrong. No jewelry allowed. Shame on the previous officials for allowing it and putting you in this position.

I had a 6th grade girls wreck ball game a few years ago. Girl had tape over her earrings. I told the coach sorry no tape and no jewelry. Parents were right behind the bench saying that she just got her ears pierced the night before and had to leave them in or else the piercings would close. I told them I hate to be the bad guy here, but there's no jewelry allowed. The girl started crying as she pulled them out so she could play, and I felt really bad, but thems is the rules.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

The girl started crying as she pulled them out so she could play,

CRYING!!!! There's no crying in basketball!!

MTD, Sr.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

I had a 6th grade girls wreck ball game a few years ago. Girl had tape over her earrings. I told the coach sorry no tape and no jewelry. Parents were right behind the bench saying that she just got her ears pierced the night before and had to leave them in or else the piercings would close. I told them I hate to be the bad guy here, but there's no jewelry allowed. The girl started crying as she pulled them out so she could play, and I felt really bad, but thems is the rules.

Nice story you big meenie. . You made her cry, that just tickles me funny. Part of me likes being the bad guy out there. I never tell them I hate being the bad guy I just relish in it.