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kjsref Sun Jan 11, 2009 09:13pm

Floor Violation - Running out of bounds
 
A1 attempts a shot, while ball in flight, A2 runs out of bounds to get inside position for rebounding.


What is the correct call?

just another ref Sun Jan 11, 2009 09:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kjsref (Post 567502)
A1 attempts a shot, while ball in flight, A2 runs out of bounds to get inside position for rebounding.


What is the correct call?

Violation on team A. Ball out of bounds to B nearest the spot.

IREFU2 Sun Jan 11, 2009 09:14pm

I concur.....

kjsref Sun Jan 11, 2009 09:17pm

Does the shot live and die on its own?

Freddy Sun Jan 11, 2009 09:31pm

A Try...on Life Support
 
kjsref asks,
"Does the shot live and die on its own?"

6-7-9: "The ball becomes dead...when a violation as in 9-2 through 9-13 occurs."

9-3-3: "A player shall not leave the floor for an unauthorized reason. PENALTY: The ball is dead when the violation occurs..."

Ergo, it dies; not on its own, but it's still dead. Right?

P.S. kjsref: Which part of Michigan you from?

just another ref Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 567508)
kjsref asks,
"Does the shot live and die on its own?"

6-7-9: "The ball becomes dead...when a violation as in 9-2 through 9-13 occurs."

9-3-3: "A player shall not leave the floor for an unauthorized reason. PENALTY: The ball is dead when the violation occurs..."


EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try ends wh 9-3-3 occurs by an opponent.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:16pm

I believe that Freddy omitted the exception because it is not relevant in the context of the OP.

Freddy Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:17pm

Yep
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 567539)
EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try ends wh 9-3-3 occurs by an opponent.

Yes, that is correct. However the situation put on the table did not have the violation committed by the opponent, right?

just another ref Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 567540)
I believe that Freddy omitted the exception because it is not relevant in the context of the OP.

I believe you're right. I didn't reread the OP. For some reason I thought B had committed the violation.

CMHCoachNRef Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:03am

Identical to a player for Team A committing an "excessively swinging elbows" violation while try is in the air. Violation on A, ball dead immediately therefore no basket, and throw-in at nearest spot.

tomegun Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:07am

Let's say the ball is in the half court, a player runs out of bounds on the end line and a violation is called before he/she has a chance to come back in to receive a pass. I know coming back in doesn't matter. I'm curious, how many people have called this in a game? If so, how did the coach accept it since I'm assuming he asked what happened?

What if...
The player that is called for this violation wants to run the baseline later on in the game. Knowing the rule, he/she says, "Hey ref, the defender has a foot on the line" and proceeds to plow right through them as you are watching?

Adam Mon Jan 12, 2009 08:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 567553)
What if...
The player that is called for this violation wants to run the baseline later on in the game. Knowing the rule, he/she says, "Hey ref, the defender has a foot on the line" and proceeds to plow right through them as you are watching?

Is the defender standing still?

I maintain that on plays where LGP is not required, a player may be standing on the line and still take a charge.

tomegun Mon Jan 12, 2009 08:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 567592)
Is the defender standing still?

I maintain that on plays where LGP is not required, a player may be standing on the line and still take a charge.

Help me here, but I'm pretty sure (in college at least) a defender cannot have LGP if they are considered out of bounds.

TNZebra44 Mon Jan 12, 2009 09:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 567503)
Violation on team A. Ball out of bounds to B nearest the spot.

What is the correct mechanic for this call?

OOB--point the new direction? Explanation to the coach b/c you know he/she will be chirping?

jdw3018 Mon Jan 12, 2009 09:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomegun (Post 567835)
Help me here, but I'm pretty sure (in college at least) a defender cannot have LGP if they are considered out of bounds.

And, as discussed in extreme depth in another thread I haven't taken the time to search for (but if you're interested you should, as it's quite entertaining), snaqs is making the argument (that I agree with) that LGP isn't required if the defender is standing still...

Definitely no argument from me that the defender doesn't have LGP - just that LGP isn't required.


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