Welmer Out; MSU vs KU

[JCurrie]

Did anyone else notice that Dorien and Hightower were working cadillac position for two man? Is this the CCA mechanic for two officials, or had it just been that long since either of them had worked with two?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JCurrie

Did anyone else notice that Dorien and Hightower were working cadillac position for two man? Is this the CCA mechanic for two officials, or had it just been that long since either of them had worked with two?

I did not see the game much after Welmer was hurt. But having said that, there is no CCA Mechanics book on 2 Person mechanics. And what is "Cadillac" position? There is no such term around anymore and I never really knew what people meant by it anyway. :

Peace

[Adam]

When I reffed in college back in 1993 (or so), cadilac referred to having the players to your right when boxing the players in. If events led you the other way, you would use the next transition opportunity to slide over. Pretty sure this went away mid-90s.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

When I reffed in college back in 1993 (or so), cadilac referred to having the players to your right when boxing the players in. If events led you the other way, you would use the next transition opportunity to slide over. Pretty sure this went away mid-90s.

Yup. Since I started in the mid-80s, I can tell you all about it.

You kept the players right (whether lead or trail) always. You would cross over as the trail at the first opportunity. Throw-ins could put both officials on the same side of the court as the lead would administer and the slide over to the other side of the court.

Looking back, it really was about as moronic as it got, but isn't that how mechanics evolve? I wonder what will be seen as silly 20 years from now that we do today?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Looking back, it really was about as moronic as it got, but isn't that how mechanics evolve? I wonder what will be seen as silly 20 years from now that we do today?

1. Using one hand to report numbers.

2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

1. Using one hand to report numbers.

2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

But how will the timers know?

[Nevadaref]

Kansas vs. Michigan State - Recap - January 10, 2009 - ESPN

"The game was officiated for the last 24-plus minutes by two officials because veteran referee Steve Welmer limped off the court with an injured right foot."

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

But how will the timers know?

Clock will stop automattically due to the sensors in our brains knowing we're going to blow the whistle. Timers will no longer be neccessary.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

So how would it work when there is a double whistle with one official wanting to call a violation and the other a foul?

Originally Posted by just another ref

Reporting a blarge as a double foul.

That is the rule, it is not a mechanics issue.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by LDUB

So how would it work when there is a double whistle with one official wanting to call a violation and the other a foul?

Doesn't hurt them in the NBA. I also work with (and sometimes resemble) a guy who frequently calls a PC foul with a point in the other direction. No blarges in 20+ years and if I had one it wouldn't exactly be the end of the world.

That is the rule, it is not a mechanics issue.

It's still silly.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by LDUB

So how would it work when there is a double whistle with one official wanting to call a violation and the other a foul.

The same way it works now, the same way it works in the NBA and NCAA.

If there's a double whistle, I raise my hand and you raise your fist, we come together and discuss.

If there's a double whistle, I don't raise my hand and you raise your fist, we come together and discuss.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

1. Using one hand to report numbers.

2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

1)diasagree, as I'm not good at it!

2)Strongly agree.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

1)diasagree, as I'm not good at it!

I bet you weren't good at bouncing the ball to the FT shooter or thrower but you've perfected it by now.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

1. Using one hand to report numbers.

2. Raising our hand to stop the clock on violations.

1. I do not ever see this changing.

2. Might change, but who cares if it does.

Peace

[DonInKansas]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

2. Might change, but who cares if it does.

Peace

Deaf timekeepers might care. I was taught at a clinic that whistle + hand so anyone deaf or blind could tell what's going on.