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Refsmitty Fri Jan 09, 2009 08:41am

Might have "Kicked" the call
 
Boys F game last night... A1 dribbling and just crosses mid court and dribbles ball while taking a stride - ball hits foot as foot moving forward and rolls towards the end line. I blow and call kick -

1. Can there be offensive kicking violation?
2. The rule book says any player deemed to have intentionally kick the ball can be called
3. Have you ever called offensive kick?:o

GoodwillRef Fri Jan 09, 2009 08:45am

You blew the call...this is nothing...play on.

GoodwillRef Fri Jan 09, 2009 08:46am

A kicking violation must be an intentional act, can be by the offense or defense.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:00am

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Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 566447)
Boys F game last night... A1 dribbling and just crosses mid court and dribbles ball while taking a stride - ball hits foot as foot moving forward and rolls towards the end line. I blow and call kick -

1. Can there be offensive kicking violation?
2. The rule book says any player deemed to have intentionally kick the ball can be called
3. Have you ever called offensive kick?:o

1. Yes
2. Yes -- and it wasn't intentional in your case
3. Yes

OHBBREF Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 566447)
I blow and call kick -

1. Can there be offensive kicking violation?
2. The rule book says any player deemed to have intentionally kick the ball can be called
3. Have you ever called offensive kick?:o

hate to do this but you "Kicked it"
your description does not seem to have the necessary reqirement of "intentional" in it .

1. Can there be offensive kicking violation?
I can not see where you could have the dribbler called for kicking the ball but I can see it happening by another player trying to keep an errant pass inbounds or from being stolen

3. Have you ever called offensive kick?:
I can not recall ever having made this call.

Raymond Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:02am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 566461)
1. Yes
2. Yes -- and it wasn't intentional in your case
3. Yes

What Bob said. I had heard rumors that he is always right.

kwv001 Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef (Post 566451)
A kicking violation must be an intentional act, can be by the offense or defense.

I agree, and in this case it doesn't seem this was intentional.

Here is an example of a potential offensive kicking violation that happened in a game I worked last night. We didn't call this, but in hindsight I think it probably should have been. It comes down to the definition of "striking", which is what the rule prohibits.

Here's the situation. Team has the ball and is passing it around the perimeter. Player from team A doesn't catch the pass cleanly and deflects the ball away. It is rolling on the forward toward the sideline and headed out of bounds, with the girl that should have caught the pass in pursuit. She realizes she is not going to be able to pick the ball up before it goes out of bounds, so she executes a perfect soccer move and steps on top of the ball stopping it dead on the floor a few inches short of the sideline, where she picks the ball up, passes back to the point guard and they reset the offense.

Has a kicking violation been committed?

bob jenkins Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:22am

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Originally Posted by kwv001 (Post 566466)
so she executes a perfect soccer move and steps on top of the ball stopping it dead on the floor a few inches short of the sideline, where she picks the ball up, passes back to the point guard and they reset the offense.

Has a kicking violation been committed?

Yes -- this should have been a violation

grunewar Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:23am

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Originally Posted by kwv001 (Post 566466)
I agree, and in this case it doesn't seem this was intentional.

Here is an example of a potential offensive kicking violation that happened in a game I worked last night. We didn't call this, but in hindsight I think it probably should have been. It comes down to the definition of "striking", which is what the rule prohibits.

Here's the situation. Team has the ball and is passing it around the perimeter. Player from team A doesn't catch the pass cleanly and deflects the ball away. It is rolling on the forward toward the sideline and headed out of bounds, with the girl that should have caught the pass in pursuit. She realizes she is not going to be able to pick the ball up before it goes out of bounds, so she executes a perfect soccer move and steps on top of the ball stopping it dead on the floor a few inches short of the sideline, where she picks the ball up, passes back to the point guard and they reset the offense.

Has a kicking violation been committed?

See this recent thread in which we addresses this exact question:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...ation-not.html

kwv001 Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:49am

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 566477)
See this recent thread in which we addresses this exact question:

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...ation-not.html

Thanks. I must have missed this one. My initial reaction when I saw this happen last night was that stepping on does not equal striking, so I let it go. After we discussed it as a crew and I thought about it some more, I now believe the intent of the rule is that the foot can't be used to gain an advantage by controlling the ball, and I should have called the violation. From reading this thread, that seems to be the consensus here also.

referee99 Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:07am

I saw this variation and it caused me pause.

Dribbler A1, moving pretty quickly dribbles ball across the division line. In the front court, the sequence is right foot contacts floor, left foot contacts floor, ball contacts... dribbler's right foot (!) and bounces well into the back court. A1's momentum had caused them to be well into the front court.

A1 raced back to retrieve the ball, only to be met with a whistle for "over and back" near the "base line".

Refsmitty Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:27am

Thanksall - live and learn - appreciate the feedback!
 
:)

BillyMac Fri Jan 09, 2009 09:20pm

Goooooal !!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Refsmitty (Post 566447)
Have you ever called offensive kick?

Yes. Boys recreation league game. Loose ball on the floor. Player kicks the ball forward to a wide open teammate on a fast break. The kicker was an all-conference soccer player.


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