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Freddy Sat Jan 03, 2009 09:44am

Team Pre-Game Perimeter Lap
 
Anybody heard of any stated prohibition to a team coming out of the locker room doing a pre-game lap around the perimiter of the playing floor? It was asked of me whether this, which is pretty much done by every team around here, could constitute "taunting," since the second team out ends up going around the first team who is already doing their lay-ups.
I've seen it done here for years by just about every team on the high school level and I've never seen any sort of actual taunting occur during this pre-game lap. And I couldn't find any prohibition to it in the rule book or case book.
Any stated prohibition ever given to this practice?

riverfalls57 Sat Jan 03, 2009 09:58am

I've wondered about this also but I have never found anything that prohibits this practice.

tjones1 Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:26am

It is not allowed in Illinois.

rsox34 Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:27am

Virginia (the Viginia High School League VHSL) has prohibited this practice for several years. Teams have to take a direct route to their side of the court and cannot circle the whole court. The VHSL believed there was too much potential for taunting to occur. Officials who saw a team try to cirlcle the floor were to stop the team from completing the cirle and send them back the way they came from.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 563876)
Any stated prohibition ever given to this practice?


The general concept was a POE a few years ago. FED left the specific implementation up to each state. So, you'll have to ask your state association what the rules are.

Mark Padgett Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:08am

A lap before the game? Big deal. When I was in HS (before dirt was invented), the other team would be out warming up when, all of a sudden, the gym lights would dim way down. A spotlight would then shine on the home team locker room door. Some cheerleaders would be in front of the door holding a big paper hoop with an outline of the state of Illinois with a big star showing our town. There would be a drum roll from the band and then the team opened the door and burst through the hoop as the band then loudly played our school fight song. The lights would then come back on and the players would dribble in a line towards the open basket and they would all make reverse layups. The crowd went wild.

Now that's intimidation.

JBleach85 Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:11am

In PA it is illegal to. I don't know if it is a state thing or not because I couldn't find it in my rule book or case book, but in PA running or circling the court and interfering with an opposing teams warm-ups represents a team technical foul. What are the other penalities for this type of warm up behavior in other states.

BillyMac Sat Jan 03, 2009 01:08pm

Pregame Center Circle Belongs To ???
 
Ever so slightly off topic: Connecticut IAABO/CIAC: Team members are not allowed to congregate at midcourt during introductions. Officials will direct players to free throw line area in front of respective benches.

That's all I got.

derwil Sat Jan 03, 2009 01:32pm

TN illegal too
 
While I was in Tennessee, the local association had it as a POE. Had a situation when both teams (big rivals) came out at the same time and tried to circle the court. Several remarks from the crowd a little trash talking etc. brought some non-basketball crap into the game. Since then it's directly onto their half of the court and not crossing the half court line during warm ups.

buckrog64 Sat Jan 03, 2009 02:33pm

Illegal in Iowa. Report said transgression to state association and they will deal with it. Otherwise, not much can be done unless it escalates or the refs provide traffic control from the outset.

BillyMac Sat Jan 03, 2009 03:00pm

"If you run, you'll only go to jail tired." ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by buckrog64 (Post 563962)
The refs provide traffic control from the outset.

Great. First we're the Fashion Police, now we're the Traffic Police. Where will it all end?

BktBallRef Sat Jan 03, 2009 03:53pm

A T in NC as well.

grunewar Sat Jan 03, 2009 04:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 563968)
Great. First we're the Fashion Police, now we're the Traffic Police. Where will it all end?

Let's see, players getting taller and more athletic and the basket height not changing - maybe air traffic control? :D

BillyMac Sat Jan 03, 2009 04:09pm

A Tall Tale ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 563986)
The basket height not changing.

Wow. I haven't heard anyone bring up (no pun intended) that topic in a long, long time.

cubsfanllw Sat Jan 03, 2009 07:47pm

legal in texas, but always make me nervous

Corndog89 Sat Jan 03, 2009 09:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by derwil (Post 563944)
While I was in Tennessee, the local association had it as a POE. Had a situation when both teams (big rivals) came out at the same time and tried to circle the court. Several remarks from the crowd a little trash talking etc. brought some non-basketball crap into the game. Since then it's directly onto their half of the court and not crossing the half court line during warm ups.

As an old Tennessee boy, just curious who the teams were? Thanks...

derwil Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:28pm

Don't remember...was 10 years ago.

ODJ Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 563892)
A lap before the game? Big deal. When I was in HS (before dirt was invented), the other team would be out warming up when, all of a sudden, the gym lights would dim way down. A spotlight would then shine on the home team locker room door. Some cheerleaders would be in front of the door holding a big paper hoop with an outline of the state of Illinois with a big star showing our town. There would be a drum roll from the band and then the team opened the door and burst through the hoop as the band then loudly played our school fight song. The lights would then come back on and the players would dribble in a line towards the open basket and they would all make reverse layups. The crowd went wild.

Now that's intimidation.

You should see Proviso West's intros. Better than the Bulls. (And recently could beat 'em!)

Stat-Man Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:20am

I'm not sure what, if any, stand the MHSAA has. Local CYO has a rule that a team entering the court shall not encircle an opponent already on the floor warming up (Penalty: Technical foul for unsporting conduct).

zebraman Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:22am

A technical foul in Washington State. And we are reminded to enforce it every year at the state tournaments.

Nevadaref Sun Jan 04, 2009 02:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 563876)
Anybody heard of any stated prohibition to a team coming out of the locker room doing a pre-game lap around the perimiter of the playing floor? It was asked of me whether this, which is pretty much done by every team around here, could constitute "taunting," since the second team out ends up going around the first team who is already doing their lay-ups.
I've seen it done here for years by just about every team on the high school level and I've never seen any sort of actual taunting occur during this pre-game lap. And I couldn't find any prohibition to it in the rule book or case book.
Any stated prohibition ever given to this practice?

Quote:

Originally Posted by riverfalls57 (Post 563877)
I've wondered about this also but I have never found anything that prohibits this practice.

You guys must be newer officials.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 563884)
The general concept was a POE a few years ago. FED left the specific implementation up to each state. So, you'll have to ask your state association what the rules are.

Bob is 100% correct. So check with your state association.

http://forum.officiating.com/basketb...s-poe-3-a.html

BillyMac Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:21am

Good Read ....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 564123)

Nevadaref: Thanks for sharing. You saved me from digging through my old rulebooks to find this POE. I will also thank you on behalf of our much older colleague, Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. You saved him a trip up into his cold attic.

mbyron Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:47am

Illegal in Ohio.


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