pre game coach conversation
 

How do the experienced officials deal with coaches that they have had problems with in past games? Do you try to discuss anything before the game starts?

let's say the coach is a big talker..." three seconds, that was a foul"..etc.. would you consider approaching him during warm ups. Say "in past games coach you have been vocal about everything on the floor, it is hard for me to concentrate on all of the action because of this" then asking him the allow you to officiate the game with less talk?

I don't even address it. What's past is past. This is a new game and they have a clean slate. I keep it short.

"Hi coach, I'm Mr. R and this is my partner Mr. U. We'll be your officials tonight. Are your kids ready to play? Let's practice good sportsmanship tonight. Good luck." And then, off to the other side.....

If there is an issue later in the game, I'll deal with it then. But, that's just me and I'm not as experienced as some on this Forum either.

I try to involve the other coach if the Q is about how the game will be called. I also avoid commenting on the calls other officials make, but I will provide my understanding of the truth. I believe truth to be absolute.

If a coach is a [known] talker, I do not mention anything during a pre-game, as each game is a new slate. But, I likely won't forget anything from the past either. Once the game starts, if the coach is a talker as you outline, I talk to him PDQ.

Same goes for a coach I have had trouble with in the past: each game is new. I do think it's good to pre-game this with you P so that he is aware. I have no problems taking care of business, and I don't care if it "looks like I have it in for a coach". (If a coach commits an infraction that warrants a technical foul, I call it. If he doesn't cross that line, I do not call it. It's rather simple actually.)

There was a thread awhile back surrounding a coach-talker and he was hit with T 37 seconds into the game. I thought it was a correct call.

I don't initiate any pre-game communication with the coach other than the pre-game handshake and pointing out illegal equipment. What happened in the past is the past.

Let's say the shoe is on the other foot...coach comes up to you before the game: "In past games, you tend to call little, touchy fouls, but I think you should let the kids play. It is hard for me to coach my kids because this is our style of play."

One of the things I think is that I don't like it when coaches tell me how to officiate, so I'm not going to tell them how to coach. What they do when the ball goes up to start a game is on them.

If a coach has been vocal in the past, then that's the past and I'm fine with it. But if they decide they're going to be vocal (to the officiating crew) for my current game right now, then I'm going to show him the stop sign and put an end to it early.

Talking to the coach like you suggest is a bad idea because 1) you're admitting you have trouble focusing on the game, and might very well miss a call he's complaining about...and 2) you're sort of telling him how to do his job. I don't see how it's going to do anything other than throw gas on the fire.

I get what your saying MA, as i had a coach do just what you said. the coach came up and said " i talked to the other coach and we don't want you guys to call the game close, just let everyone play. this is mid school." Since I am newer and the kid I was working with was 18, I just said ok coach. But I told the other official to call the game just as he normally would.

I'd tell him that he sticks with the 2-3 zone way too long and needs to drill his players' ball skills a little more. :p

"Hi Coach, [insert name]. Are your players properly equipped and ready to play? .... Your coaching box is marked there. Please give us a signal for the type of time out you want. If we don't get one we will give you a full time out automatically. Also, please break on the first horn. Thanks. Good Luck."

I never deviate from that script unless there is something the coach asks or we have noticed an illegal equipment issue.

pre game
 

The only think that I add to the already stated is...

"Coaches and players, if you have a question ask us and we will answer as soon as possible. Our english teachers in high school taught us not to answer statements. Have a great game and put the ball in the hole! Have fun and good luck."

THe players and coaches normally laugh a little in the pregame. The statement vs. question reference is important for later in the game when the coach is whining. The statement goes like this, "Coach is there a question in there anywhere?" or "Coach I am not ignoring you, I am just waiting on a question." I have found that this works really well. 95% of coaches will adjust well to this. You will learn who the 5% are that do not quickly. Adjust with the exceptions.

Whenever a coach asks me how I'm doing that day, I have a standard reply - "Cranky". It sets a good tone for the game.

Past games are ancient history. Start fresh every game.

"Coach, [insert your name here]"
"Do you have any questions before we start?"
"Let us know what time out you want and help us getting your kids out on the first horn, good luck"

Only for some of our (steamed) members. ;)

"OK, coaches. Listen up. I'm Butch and this is my partner Sundance. We'll be your bouncers for today's festivities. Make sure all your players have removed their nipple rings. It's a good idea if they're all wearing cups since we plan on not calling any hard fouls to the crotch area. If you run any plays designed to send the game into overtime, I will break your kneecaps. If you say anything to either one of us during the game, I will break your kneecaps. Any questions? If so, stuff 'em - we don't care.

Oh yeah, good luck - you'll need it."

Of course, if it's a girl's game, I skip the part about the cups. :p

Oh how I wish......

What do you do about nipple rings then?:p

I wouldn't allow the coach to make such comments during the game. The first time I would warn him that he is not allowed to try to officiate. The second time, he gets a T.

I agree with grunewar.

Keep it simple
 

(Smile as I go to coach)
Hi coach,
Good to meet you
Legally equipped?
Good luck/play well tonight.
(Get outta Dodge)

If he asks a question, he gets a one sentence answer
When he starts complaining, or trying to buy something... hand up,"coach, thanks, but I'm not interested in this conversation. Good luck."

What's your "point"? :D

"Buy something?" What could he possibly be buying?

Wait, never mind. I forgot that Padgett sells foul insurance at his games.

Here is how the pre-game meeting with the coaches should go:

With about 1:30 left before game time, the officiating crew should stride over the the Visitor's Bench and each official introducing himself and wish him and his team good luck with the R going last. This procedure is then repeated at the Home Bench.

MTD, Sr.

It's done differently here by state direction. We meet both HCs at the table right after the captains meeting (wich starts at 3:00 before game time). Everyone introduces himself (or herself) and the R then conducts the quick meeting.

Snaqs:

The last thing I want is the HC'es at the Captains' Meeting. I do not want them hearing me tell the Captains the facts of life: That the Captains are in charge of everybody even their coaches. :D

MTD, Sr.

Sorry, the meetings are separate. :)

Captains meet with us in the center circle. When that's over, the U1 and U2 fetch the coaches and join the R by the table. :)

In Alabama the HC and player meeting happen @ the same time.

That's the way it's been around here as well.

We have the Captains meeting, in the circle, at 12:00 and separate coaches meetings starting, at their individual benches, starting at about 2:30.

:rolleyes:

Why would you open yourself up to stupid and/or potentially harmful questions from a coach before the game?

My pre-game to coaches is the same no matter how many times I've worked their game:

"Coach, let's make sure your players are equipped legally. Good luck and let's all try and have some fun."

Snaqs:

I apologize, my eyesight isn't as good as it use to be, :D. I thought you had all of them in one meeting. So, you do it like we do, more or less.

Happy New Year!

MTD, Sr.

Except we bring the coaches with us to the R at the same time.

Snaqs:

Mere details. We don't need no stinkin' details. :D

MTD, Sr.