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JV boys holiday tournament, consolation game. Unionville down by 8 with a minute left in regulation, down 5 with 12 seconds left, hit a three, stole the inbounds pass and scored. I have a timeout request and look up and see 0.8 but it doesn't get stopped before time runs off. Everyone thinks we are going to OT but I get the time put back up. Avon Grove throws the long inbound pass too high and hits the ceiling. So Unionville with a chance to win in regulation but they fumble the inbounds pass so OT.
Late in second OT, Unionville hits a three to tie it again. In third OT, I call a foul inside and send Unionville to the line down 2 with 2.2 seconds left. Of course the big man knocks them both down. No scoring in fourth OT until Unionville sticks back a miss with about 1.5 to go and that's it. Longest game I've ever been part of. Both coaches were using their OT TOs every OT. Of course I had plans to go with my wife to my parents' house afterward for dinner so by the time I got home, showered, and got over there we were more than an hour late. |
You're in Padgett's bad books now.
And in BillyMac's good books. :) I hope you had fun. It sounds as though there was opportunity for the Avon Grove (incorrectly) to quip about the officiating. Did s/he do any of that? |
Next time you'll follow Padgett's advice. ;)
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Overtime Versus In-Laws ???
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And the coaches were both fairly quiet. All in all a fun game! |
Wow. Back to the 70s with all those jump balls. Thanks for reminding me.:(
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I'll Bring The Coin ...
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Monday night, as the umpire I missed the jumper tip, and then catch the tip. I was too busy watching the eight nonjumpers, but it's still not a good excuse. My partner, the referee, told me that by the time he put the whistle back in his mouth, he thought it was to late, not by rule, but just way too late to call the violation. None of the coaches, players, or fans complained. I will admit that I'm not as familiar with all the jump ball requirements as I was when we were having several jump balls in each game. Again, not a good excuse, but this method of starting a game should be done away with. Dr. Naismith originally had jump balls after every goal, then we progressed to only having jump balls to start periods, and to make the ball live after held ball situations, and now we only have jump balls to start the game, and extra periods. The natural progression is to now do away with all jump balls. We no longer use Dr. Naismith's rule regarding ending the game in a tie, or in sudden death, so why keep his jump ball rule? He is more likely to roll over in his grave due to what NBA players are now allowed to do with their pivot foot, than he is to roll over because we did away with his precious jump ball. Now, do you want me to tell you what I really think? |
We should place the ball in the center of the court and have the two teams line up at opposing end lines, and then let them charge for it. :eek:
That would increase safety in the game. :D |
You Can't Make This Stuff Up ...
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In fact, I hate this suggestion. APAs take less time than jump ball, so if your concern is that the one jump ball takes more time than a coin toss, then I say that the time difference is measured in under 30 seconds. Hardly worth the change. On the other hand, keeping the jump ball is consistent with other aspects of basketball: height is rewarded for the better chance at rebounds, and therefore the better chance at securing the first possession. But, like any rebound, it doesn't guarantee the first possession. |
I would not go to a coin flip. I would have the visitors have the first inbound.
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If OT's are a continuation of the 4th qtr and everything is carried over, why not start OT's with APA? I still like starting the game with jump ball. But we have really hijacked this thread with this conversation.
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I really don't have anything to say about this situation since it obviously didn't really happen, but was just a bad dream.
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Nice!!!!!
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5 jump balls in a dream
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Now You Know What I Really Think ...
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My reasons to do away with all jump balls: 1) It's a part of the natural order of rule progression, as stated in my earlier post. 2) With only one jump ball (usually) a game, most coaches don't take the time to understand the jump ball rules. 3) With only one jump ball (usually) a game, coaches don't teach kids the rules about jump balls, because they don't really understand them themselves. 4) With only one jump ball (usually) a game, most players don't understand the rules about jump balls. 5) With only one jump ball (usually) a game, many officials don't practice their jump ball technique as much as we used to back in the good old days, tossing it up and into a hoop over and over again. 6) With only one jump ball (usually) a game, many officials don't spend as much time studying the rules about jump balls, and the jump ball rules are about as complex (before the toss, during the toss, after the tap, jumpers, nonjumpers, on the circle, off the circle, etc.) as rules can be for a situation that lasts only a few seconds (at the most), and happens only once (usually) a game. 7) It will give us a real reason to get the captains and coaches together pregame, instead of the usual players properly equipped, wearing uniforms properly, good sportsmanship, speech that we now give. 8) Other sports start games with a coin toss. Each reason, individually, is not a good reason to do away with jump balls, but taken together, as a group, I believe that a pretty good argument is presented. Some of these reasons are really not excusable. Officials should practice tossing, and officials should know the jump ball rules like the back of their hand, but many of us, including me, don't, because it happens only once a game, it's over in a few seconds (tops), and many of us just want to get it over with and get into the flow of the game, hoping that nothing "weird" happens during the jump ball, and if it does, that it's obvious enough for us to recognize the violation, and call it. How many Forum members, and I know that there are probably several esteemed members out there that can, can actually recite all the jump ball rules, book, chapter, and verse, not only without looking at the rulebook, but who can call all the various jump ball violations in those first few hectic seconds of the game? |
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The only thing we missed (I think) as a crew in the last year was a quick backcourt violation -- and I was the one who tossed the ball and had to ask my partners at halftime why it wasn't gotten. Nobody (including my partners) noticed anything, so I'm left to wonder if I was imagining it. |
"You are correct, sir." (Ed McMahon) ...
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"Tradition, tradition! Tradition!" (Fiddler On The Roof)
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Wait a minute. You've never have more than one jump ball a game. After you toss an extra period ball, come back and post again on jump balls. |
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Although, Now That I Think About It ???
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and there you are you're running for your life you're a shooting star And all the years no one knows just how hard you worked but now it shows... |
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Sorry for the derail, back to jump balls with this thread! |
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The game I mentioned was tied at 18 with 2 minutes left in regulation. Two minutes into the 2nd overtime, it was still 18-18. We had a girl at the line with time expired in the first OT and she missed both shots. My partner and I were also up next in the varsity game with a third official; they had to wait on us as well as a few girls for the varsity game. |
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p.s. I could live with A/P to start OT. In 8 years of GV, I've been in two, so not a big deal. |
I like the 'drama' of a jump ball to start a game. If you get a great student section they are all screaming and hollering when they are all lined up until the toss goes up. It kind of jacks me up too.
I don't think you'd get that with a coin flip.;) |
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I like the "faceoff" many times during the game......especially when right after the puck hits the ice two guys start fighting! :D |
Sorry, I'm Old School More Jump Balls
Frankly, I dislike the AP.
There are many times when the defense is not rewarded for its good play, and a tie-up or other possible change of possession ends with the team who made a good play not getting a chance at the ball. O als believe in some situations it can reduce fouling at the end of games, since the defense has a shot to get the ball under conditions where it now has noi chance to get it, so you foul for the ball. The NBA, who I believe has the best rule set in basketball, still has jump balls, and I believe they use them well. I hope FED and NCAA change their direction on this issue. |
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You're kidding, right? |
Next time, don't use capital letters ...
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